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  1. There has been a lot of confusion around the very popular Excalibur scroll saw. They disappeared for awhile without any word. Then several saws started showing up that looked like the Excalibur, but all under different names. It turns out there was a bunch of movement between brand rights, design rights, and distribution rights that gets a little sticky. Peter Kennedy from King Canada helped shed a little light on how all of this shakes out. Hopefully you'll find it interesting and understand this confusing topic a little bit better. - - - - - - - - - - Hi Travis, thanks for getting back to me. I will try to make this as simple and painless as possible. It is very convoluted so I think point form time lines will tell the story best. My biggest concern is scroll saw enthusiasts, knowing the reputation of the original Excalibur scroll saw, will be unaware it is still available as well as parts and help if required. Please note, my dates may be off by a bit but you will get the idea as to how things have evolved. FYI, King Canada is the largest supplier of wood and metal working machinery in Canada. We are almost 40 years old and are just now entering the US market. 1982 - Somerville Design introduces the Excalibur scroll saws manufactured in Toronto Ontario 2003 – General International acquires the assets of Summerville Design including the Excalibur brand. G.I. sends the 21” scroll saw to Taiwan to be manufactured and adds the 30” version. 2008 + or – G.I. adds the 16” version. 2010 – EX-21 awarded “Editor’s Choice” by Scroll Saw Woodworking and Crafts magazine. 2012 - the EX-21AE 30th anniversary edition is introduced. 1000 units available. Color changed from green to black and dust collection added to the table, stand and foot switch are included. 2012-13 – G.I. goes back to the models EX-16, EX-21 and Ex-30 retaining the black color and other Anniversary options on all saws. No more General green.. 2014 + or – G.I. is sold to DMT holdings of Seattle WA. Including the Excalibur brand but not the manufacturing rights for the scroll saw. They are held by the manufacturer in Taiwan. 2015-16 - JPW (Jet)designs their 22” saw and has it manufactured by the same Taiwan maker as the original Excalibur saws. 2016 + or – The original Taiwanese manufacturer seeks new North American distribution for the original design scroll saws. 2016 – King Canada is granted distribution rights to the original 16”, 21” and 30” saws for the Canadian market. They are branded Excelsior in Canada and King Industrial in the U.S. 2016 - Due to design similarities of the Jet 22”, the manufacturer restricts King’s U.S. distribution to the 16” and the 30” versions. 2016 – Woodcraft commits to national U.S. distribution of the King Industrial 16” and 30” scroll saws. 2017 – Seyco introduces their version of the saw manufactured by the same maker as the Excalibur, Excelsior, King Industrial and the JPW saws. 2017 - The European saws Azxminster, Pegas Etc., are all made by the same Taiwanese maker. These saws were previously supplied to them by G.I. 2018 + or - General International (DMT Holdings) begins to market a Chinese made version of the 21” saw under the Excalibur name and model number. Summary, The only original Excalibur saws are now branded either King Industrial (U.S.) or Excelsior (Canada). At this time, there is no original design 21” available in the U.S. The Seyco and the JPW (Jet)saws are designed after the Excalibur saws with proprietary differences. So, the King Industrial/Excelsior saws are the original design with a different name and the saw branded Excalibur is a different saw with the original name. The many manufacturing nuances and extreme tolerances make these saws virtually impossible to copy and have them function as they were originally designed. Note, when I use the term “original”, I refer to original manufacturer, original design, original components, parts, motors, and specifications. North American Model #’s Original EX-16 is now Excelsior XL-16 in Canada Original EX-16 is now King Industrial KXL-16 in the U.S. Original EX-21 is now Excelsior XL-21 in Canada (not available in the U.S.) Original EX-30 is now Excelsior XL-30 in Canada Original EX-30 is now King Industrial KXL-30 in the U.S. General still uses model #EX-21, “made in China” on the box and 16” or 30’ no longer available. Seyco Model ST-21, 21” no other sizes available to my knowledge Jet Model #727299K, 22” no other sizes available to my knowledge I hope this gives some clarity to the situation.
  2. HI! I've been trying to wrap my head around the developments of the Excalibur brand/manufacturing, and I love this post where it is laid out very clearly what the situation is for both Canada and the US. However, I'm Europe based. I've read about the Axminster and Pegas, but the text suggests that these are not the original designs, although they are manufactured by the same manufacturer as the original Excalibur. Can anyone shine some light on this? Background: Eventually I want the best scroll saw out there At this moment I'm interested in the 30'' model, but only because of investing in something with growth potential. It might as well become a 21''. Any thoughts on the best scroll saw out there (models available in Europe) are also welcome. Thanks!
  3. I have an Excalibur EX-19 which I purchased used 13 years ago. I updated it with the improved clamps (purchased from Seyco). The saw works well. I would like to sell the saw, but haven't seen any of the EX-19's for sale for quite some time, so I am not sure what the saw is worth. Is there still a market for this saw? It is one of the early ones, built by Sommerville in Canada in 1993. I recall a thread a few years ago in this forum where a was a used EX-19 being sold for $500 and the consensus was that this was way overpriced because parts are no longer available for the EX-19. I am just trying to figure out what a fair price would be for this machine. These machines might be old but are built like tanks and work very well. Alan
  4. Hello everyone, I have found this wonderful forum very recently from doing a web search on scroll saws. I am a beginner. I am looking at getting a used good one -- so far, I have seen a Delta 18" variable speed and an Excalibur-II 19 inches. I understand the EX-II is an old saw but well-built. I contacted the Delta seller and was told it's a Q3. My biggest concern is not being able to find parts when I need to. I am in Ontario, Canada. I have attached two pictures of the saws (one of each). If you were in my shoes, which of the two would you get, assuming they're both working perfectly (Both claimed they're in excellent condition)? The Delta is $100, while the EX-II is $280. Both are about 1-2 hours away. I am also open to recommendations on a new scroll saw, if it's better than the two I mentioned AND it's within $250. I wish I could get a Dewalt straight away, but the price range is too high for me at this point. My plan is to get a decent one to practice on, and then get a much better one when the right time comes. Thank you so much for your time. I greatly appreciate any advice.
  5. Got an alert from Home Depot saying the Excalibur is back in stock. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Excalibur-120-Volt-21-in-Tilting-Head-Scroll-Saw-with-Stand-and-Foot-Switch-EX-21K/205414436 Rockler is offering them now also: http://www.rockler.com/excalibur-21-scroll-saw-with-foot-switch?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_content=pla&utm_campaign=PL&sid=V9146&gclid=CjwKCAiAu4nRBRBKEiwANms5W8HuOJko0WhzP9NNN5tkIsbKDWccA1nsFRjmXXMEwEXgxsoidXoQjRoCLSoQAvD_BwE And Sears: http://www.sears.com/general-international-21inch-tilting-head-scroll-saw-with/p-A011574695?sid=IDx01192011x000001&gclid=CjwKCAiAu4nRBRBKEiwANms5W-mQjbmgDtWzUerbJ4pihQc0OcU4vFVynsBL483Fh-zTF2QL8wViGBoC054QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CN6k-cH_7NcCFU0cgQod4YUG6g With King available, and without Seyco carrying this saw, I have mixed emotions, but still, good to see the black Ex being sold again. I would love to know the back story. If General was having issues with their manufacturer (who is apparently making these for everyone now), did General have to get another manufacturer geared up to to begin making these. If so, not sure I would trust the first ones off the line.
  6. Anyone looking for Excalibur 16? https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/tls/d/new-never-used-excalibur-16/6325303341.html EX 16, it says never been used for $525 with Foot Switch I already have an EX 16 Good Luck Sam
  7. Good morning group, I have an EX 16 that I've had for about 1-1/2 years. When I bought it, it looked like it was never used. I use it about 6-8 hours per week. I never got a manual for it. Should I be greasing or oiling its bearings. Is there any maintenance guide specific to EX? Thanks to all Sam
  8. I have a question about Excalibur 16/20 cutting deck. I have had this saw since early this summer and am extremely happy with its operation. I did remove the vacuum/dust collection system since it kept trapping small pieces and this seems to be SOP for many EX operators. My one issue is that the cutting deck is starting to have several scratch/swirl marks. I do try to apply packing tape to bottom but problems continue. Before I first bought the EX-16 I did a fair amount of research. The topic of scratched deck came up several times. One suggestion to address this was to have the top powder coated. I could not find this original posting and wondered if other EX operators have experienced this or seen this recommendation. I have a Powder Coat shop around the corner and would get a quote to get it done. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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