RBI Hawk – Model 226VS

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

7 hours ago, kmmcrafts said:

Yeah, kinda like where I'm at.. most any given time I can go to marketplace and there will be 12+ of these for sale in the $250 - 600 price range and those in the $300+ are setting there for sale for months.. These are only worth what someone is willing to pay.. which is why I suggest a bit lower value than some might think. It might be worth $600 to someone but price it at that and wait 6 months for that someone, or price it to move it..

Hegners are another example of this.. You pay big money for a new one.. but try selling it 2 months after you buy it and you're lucky to get $600 from it unless you wait for that special buyer that just knows it's a good deal.. 

Again Kevin I will have to just disagree with you because not what I see. If you see a saw like that for $200 I suggest you buy it. You can say that about new cars too. I bet this guys saw has very little time on it. If there is no evidence of things he made with it he probably never followed through with his desire. Who knows. I bought tools that I have still sitting in the new package and would never get the price I paid for them. Your examples are again if the people are in a hurry to sell. But if you have to sit on it for 6 months. I ask you who cares? How long did you put things on web site and never sold? I am sure there were many. I have a bunch of things that never sold. Does not mean I did not try. The things you sell are only worth what people are willing to pay. I am sure there are plenty of people say your prices are too high. Just making my point back at yours. 

Edited May 8 by JTTHECLOCKMAN

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

16 hours ago, Scrappile said:

All said and done, like it or not, the DeWalt has the best resale value.  I have seen some used sell for close to the new price.  Nothing against the saw, I just do not get it.

I believe that is because it is a well known brand name. Also the price on the saw is more to what people can afford compared to over a thousand dollar saw. There are alot more Dewalts out there too. 

[kmmcrafts]

13 hours ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said:

Again Kevin I will have to just disagree with you because not what I see. If you see a saw like that for $200 I suggest you buy it. You can say that about new cars too. I bet this guys saw has very little time on it. If there is no evidence of things he made with it he probably never followed through with his desire. Who knows. I bought tools that I have still sitting in the new package and would never get the price I paid for them. Your examples are again if the people are in a hurry to sell. But if you have to sit on it for 6 months. I ask you who cares? How long did you put things on web site and never sold? I am sure there were many. I have a bunch of things that never sold. Does not mean I did not try. The things you sell are only worth what people are willing to pay. I am sure there are plenty of people say your prices are too high. Just making my point back at yours. 

You're right JT.. It's worth $500 but again.. that's to the right person.. I don't know where I put that it wasn't worth $500.. maybe I could have said it better or the written word was misinterpreted.. Maybe I need to go back to see what I actually said.. I thought I said $300 - 500 and if he just wants to get it out of his way then maybe $200 ish.. I've watched the marketplace for these for several years and I don't see them really moving very fast in the $400+ range.. If I bought every $200 Hawk I've seen in this condition I'd have a shop full of Hawks that I'd be setting on for several weeks just to get $250 - 400 back out of them.. they'd build up faster than I could sell them for.  

Here is a G4 which is the Cadillac of Hawks lineup.. not quite as clean looking but you don't see the G4's come up very often either.. This is well worth it to the right guy that knows these saws.. however there are tons and tons of Ultra saws like the original poster has and people that do not know these saws would just see a expensive used orange saw.. they all "look" the same.. and they see that they can get a scroll saw at Harbor Freight for $250 and get the extra warranty and get a free saw every two years if an issue arose. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/683232744287565/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A1371d8a1-fdde-4079-a1ad-b9218e8c9af2

For what it's worth the original poster put this saw up for sale 3 weeks ago for $400 and has already dropped the price to $350.. doesn't seem like he's wanting to set on it forever.. I have notifications set when a new Hawk is put on marketplace I get alerted about it. Like I've said.. I watch these pretty closely.. be interesting to see how long it takes to sell it and what he actually ends up getting for it. 

Many estates people just need to move stuff to empty out the house to sell the house.. I got my Hegner free because the guy had it listed for $75 and I drove an hour to look it over.. plugged it in and at ran but was missing the blade chucks.. he searched and couldn't find them.. had a dumpster out there with table saws and all sorts of stuff in it.. he said I could have it as he had 3 days to get the place cleaned out.. If I didn't take it he was going to put in the dumpster since it wasn't all there. I has some chucks here that I bought a box of blades from a different estate sale and in the bottom of the box was several Hegner clamps.. My point is.. most estates the family has no interest in the things they're selling and they don't usually want to bring it home to take up their space either.. so they try selling the stuff and hope to get "some money" but they also get tired of the hassle of selling the stuff too.. at some point he may just say screw it.. $200 and someone will walk away with a good deal.. as you say.. scroll sawing isn't what it used to be.. people have moved into laser and cnc stuff.. The economy is tough right now.. not many folks spending money on old saws.. they'd rather eat eggs for breakfast, LOL

SO, as a seller if I had that saw yeah, I'd be happy with selling for $500.. BUT, turn the tables and as a buyer.. I'm not buying that saw for more than $300.. that's just me and the economy that I see right now. Why do I say that.. well I usually look for a deal that if I needed to sell I could get most my money back fairly easy.. There are tons of $300 saws like this out there.. 

Maybe a good place to try to sell for more money would be on the scroll saw FB groups.. specifically the Hawk one as those folks know the saws and if someone wanted a second saw or whatever there is Hawk interest there.. not so much here as many folks are looking for the cheap saws.. not the commercial ones high end ones.  

[Scrappile]

I was watching one in my area, well, a couple of hundred miles from me.  Never used late model Hawk 220vs, assembled, some parts still in the box.  She was asking $800.  listed for almost a year, I would have purchased it if I had had the money.  It is no longer listed.  I hope she sold it and did not get discouraged and take the listing down.

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

2 hours ago, kmmcrafts said:

You're right JT.. It's worth $500 but again.. that's to the right person.. I don't know where I put that it wasn't worth $500.. maybe I could have said it better or the written word was misinterpreted.. Maybe I need to go back to see what I actually said.. I thought I said $300 - 500 and if he just wants to get it out of his way then maybe $200 ish.. I've watched the marketplace for these for several years and I don't see them really moving very fast in the $400+ range.. If I bought every $200 Hawk I've seen in this condition I'd have a shop full of Hawks that I'd be setting on for several weeks just to get $250 - 400 back out of them.. they'd build up faster than I could sell them for.  

Here is a G4 which is the Cadillac of Hawks lineup.. not quite as clean looking but you don't see the G4's come up very often either.. This is well worth it to the right guy that knows these saws.. however there are tons and tons of Ultra saws like the original poster has and people that do not know these saws would just see a expensive used orange saw.. they all "look" the same.. and they see that they can get a scroll saw at Harbor Freight for $250 and get the extra warranty and get a free saw every two years if an issue arose. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/683232744287565/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A1371d8a1-fdde-4079-a1ad-b9218e8c9af2

For what it's worth the original poster put this saw up for sale 3 weeks ago for $400 and has already dropped the price to $350.. doesn't seem like he's wanting to set on it forever.. I have notifications set when a new Hawk is put on marketplace I get alerted about it. Like I've said.. I watch these pretty closely.. be interesting to see how long it takes to sell it and what he actually ends up getting for it. 

Many estates people just need to move stuff to empty out the house to sell the house.. I got my Hegner free because the guy had it listed for $75 and I drove an hour to look it over.. plugged it in and at ran but was missing the blade chucks.. he searched and couldn't find them.. had a dumpster out there with table saws and all sorts of stuff in it.. he said I could have it as he had 3 days to get the place cleaned out.. If I didn't take it he was going to put in the dumpster since it wasn't all there. I has some chucks here that I bought a box of blades from a different estate sale and in the bottom of the box was several Hegner clamps.. My point is.. most estates the family has no interest in the things they're selling and they don't usually want to bring it home to take up their space either.. so they try selling the stuff and hope to get "some money" but they also get tired of the hassle of selling the stuff too.. at some point he may just say screw it.. $200 and someone will walk away with a good deal.. as you say.. scroll sawing isn't what it used to be.. people have moved into laser and cnc stuff.. The economy is tough right now.. not many folks spending money on old saws.. they'd rather eat eggs for breakfast, LOL

SO, as a seller if I had that saw yeah, I'd be happy with selling for $500.. BUT, turn the tables and as a buyer.. I'm not buying that saw for more than $300.. that's just me and the economy that I see right now. Why do I say that.. well I usually look for a deal that if I needed to sell I could get most my money back fairly easy.. There are tons of $300 saws like this out there.. 

Maybe a good place to try to sell for more money would be on the scroll saw FB groups.. specifically the Hawk one as those folks know the saws and if someone wanted a second saw or whatever there is Hawk interest there.. not so much here as many folks are looking for the cheap saws.. not the commercial ones high end ones.  

You are right. Many times it comes down to right place right time. Also you are right about selling quickly because they need to unload either a passing relative stuff or they are moving and can not take. Also people who know saws more tend to spend a little more. The one thing RBI has going against them is the space they take up too. People like those saws they can put on a bench and be done with it. Hopefully he sells and gets his price. 

[OCtoolguy]

16 hours ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said:

Again Kevin I will have to just disagree with you because not what I see. If you see a saw like that for $200 I suggest you buy it. You can say that about new cars too. I bet this guys saw has very little time on it. If there is no evidence of things he made with it he probably never followed through with his desire. Who knows. I bought tools that I have still sitting in the new package and would never get the price I paid for them. Your examples are again if the people are in a hurry to sell. But if you have to sit on it for 6 months. I ask you who cares? How long did you put things on web site and never sold? I am sure there were many. I have a bunch of things that never sold. Does not mean I did not try. The things you sell are only worth what people are willing to pay. I am sure there are plenty of people say your prices are too high. Just making my point back at yours. 

You and Kevin disagreeing on things is no surprise. Lol 

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

1 hour ago, OCtoolguy said:

You and Kevin disagreeing on things is no surprise. Lol 

Yes but we are both passionate with what we do and what we did in the past and there is nothing wrong with that. I respect what he does and his approach. I have told my story in different threads here many times so no need to go through that. I know there are others that it seems we are always on opposite sides of things but again we all can not be clones. What a boring world it would be.