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I actually like the taller stands, all three of the Hawks are tall like the Henger so I'm used to it.. My DeWalt was tall too.. the Excalibur is much shorter even though I have the legs adjusted all the way up.. Really like the 3 legged stands of the Hegner and the DeWalts..

More excited than that.. more like a puppy that's so happy to see someone that he start peeing everywhere. I have been watching for one of these for at least 7-8 years.. but everything I find is $700 plus or one of the old ones without the front tension and quick clamp etc.. I finally somewhat gave up looking daily etc after I got my new Hawk.. always said I'm going to get a deal someday.. The few deals I did find looked like they been dragged behind a car for 50 miles and still wanting $400+.. This one looked rough too but $50 asking price was worth at least going to look at it. I had in my mind to buy it at least for the foot switch and stand. But it turned out to be in good condition and free.. just dirty

I'm going to clean it up and paint it I think.. maybe use some quality automotive paint or maybe even have it powder coated. Painting it I can do myself but I don't have powder coat equipment.. Also some, maybe a lot of that on the top side of the stand is that oil / dirt gunk as I haven't cleaned on the stand at all yet.. maybe it'll also clean up more than I think, though there are spots of flaked paint and rust too so I'll probably just paint it.

Well, not sure if you seen my post about picking up a Hegner MultiMax 18 this morning.. Now I officially have about 20 minutes of seat time at one.. Hawks are nice saws but this thing blows the Hawk out of the water by quite a lot.. just from my first 20 minute impressions.. You won't go wrong with either saw but if the funds are there for the new Hegner and you can't strike a deal on anything used I think you'd be very happy with a new Hegner..

Cleaned up fairly well, stand still needs cleaning but the saw looks brand new under all that gunk. Even has a working bellows lol.

Okay yeah I looked at them and just guesstimate on what one to use.. then I found more and they had ink stamps 0.5 as best I could make of it.. they have been working good with my #5 and 3 blades.. Talk about Cadillac of saws.. what little I've used it so far I am really impressed. So far the only downside to it that I have is the smaller table than I'd like and the air blower once I got it working ( tube was completely plugged with the gunk oil stuff and dirt ) the blower blows the dust into my lap, LOL.. I do like the hose being built into the upper arm so I don't never have to fuss with aiming it or having it in my way while treading a blade.. But it does just blow the dust at me instead of off to the side.. That's a minor issue and I think I can get used to the small table for most my projects will be fine.. Well he had a table saw and other stuff there but not thinking I never even enquired about anything else.. Had stacks of boards in the rafters as well as a couple pretty good piles on the floor. The table saw was also real grimy / dirty and was a pretty small outfit, but I don't know much on table saws and just bought the new DeWalt one last spring.. Who knows though.. could have been a real nice high end saw for all I know.. I'm sure anyone that may have looked at this Hegner if they didn't know would have labeled it as a pile of junk. The guy told me he knew nothing about it then when I couldn't even put a blade in it to try it he felt bad as I drove an hour..so he said I could just have it if I was interested otherwise it was going in the next dumpster when it showed up.. He was just trying to clean out the place to sell it and was throwing a lot of stuff out..

Is there anyway to tell what size blade clamps I have? I was looking on the Hegner site and they show different sizes.. I was able to clamp a #5 and try the saw with one of those that I showed in the picture above.. I mostly use #3 and 5.. but with a spiral I use a 2/0.. I didn't notice any markings on the clamps I have.. But with the quick clamp I only use the clamp for the lower arm so I have 4.. Anyway, just wondered how do I know what sizes I have?

Yeah, thing is the thing was listed for a week.. I can't believe it was still there other than the listing didn't mention Hegner or anything pertaining to what it was other than scroll saw.. I messaged right away and he responded right back and said any time today I could look at it.. I said how about right now, LOL

Yes I did.. just a few blocks from the fair grounds...

Not sure but I think they sprayed this with some kind of sticky oil film. It’s all over the whole saw and will take some elbow grease to get it off. I soaked the top of the table with some WD- 40 and let it set for 20 minutes and wiped it off. Took a few times but it’s coming out nice . I don’t think this thing has seem much use honestly and I think he must have sprayed it with something to keep it from rusting / corrosion and that’s why it’s sticky grimy dirty looking. Seems to be a gem under all the whatever film on it. I did put a blade in it and run a small test cut and the variable speed is working great. Seems real smooth throughout the speed range. Quieter and smoother than the Hawk even with all the dirt grime on it. It’s going to take some time to clean it up good to use it. I don’t want to run it with this crude all over it.

Okay here is one of the boxes of Hegner parts I got a few years ago that I just mentioned in my last post. If I’m not mistaken Hegner has different sized clamps for blades. This one blade looks like something used to cut trees down so I probably can’t use it for #3 or 5 blades can I? Any idea of what any of these other parts are for? This stuff is all new in the packages. Thinking they may not work for my saw? Somewhere there is a box with a bunch more clamps without the blades attached that I believe were never used.

Just got back home and unloaded it. The table and basically the whole saw is covered in an oily substance and then dust / dirt stuck to it so it looks way worst than it really is. I think it’ll clean up very nice other than the stand. Here is another kicker on this deal. About 6 years ago my auntie was helping her friend that does a business with estate sales and helping organize them etc. and there was a couple Hefner’s there that I passed on for $40. After the sale there was a box full of blades and parts. I have about 10 clamps somewhere up in my loft that they gave me so if / when I can find them I can give it a try. So I don’t think I’m going to need to buy anything for this other than some cleaner to clean it up. Not sure how these pictures turned out seemed kinda dark on my phone but here is the few pictures. I’ll possibly have some questions later. Right now I’m going to go try finding that box of blade clamps upstairs. I'm amazed at how light this is.. I unloaded it by myself.. wouldn't do that with a Hawk I don't think..

Good eye Bob. sure does look like the rod and part of the system anyway..

I’m on my way back home. Had to pull off and say this: Not going to believe this. The guy plugged it in and it runs. But I couldn’t try it because he couldn’t find any lower blade holders / clamps. He said it was his dads and they’re just trying to clean out to sell the house as his parents moved into a care home. He said if I want it as is I could have it as one dumpster full of stuff already went and this one was going to go into the next one if I don’t take it. Has a foot switch and we powered it on and it runs but no lower blade holders. For free I can use the foot switch anyway. oh and it actually looks nicer than in the photos. I post some photos later when I get back.

Now and again I look for saws.. You know me I'm only buying good deals.. This thing is dirty and rough looking so maybe not worth the $50 for this Hegner.. Heading out soon to go look at it. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/562862105744653/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Aae1c6c29-9622-47ef-bb47-86e8e0801d80 What's your thoughts.. It's about a 55 minute drive from me.. I'll be heading out in the next 30 minutes I hope.. Hope he will take $40 because I only have 2 20's on me..

This is a whole kit if the saw is missing several parts. https://stores.bushtonhawkstore.com/ultra-tension-rod-kit/

I agree with Ray, but that said I can't imagine the amount of work to move would be.. for me anyway as I've been in my house for 31 years.. all that junk that gets into the junk drawers and stuff that end up in the storage shed etc etc etc.. that really should have just went to a goodwill or other type charity or trash but didn't.. going through all of it packing and un-packing and where to put what.. Lot of work so I can sort of see a reason why not to be on for a while.. Anyway, welcome back.. and look forward to seeing you on here again.

Yeah, not having the proper tension on a Hawk / Hegner that blade would just break..

I'm not even sure how you could run it without the wedge? How was you able to even put a blade in it.. That wedge is only $9 https://stores.bushtonhawkstore.com/wedge-pivot/ The washer is $1.25 from Bushton https://stores.bushtonhawkstore.com/nylon-tension-washer/ about half that at the local hardware as it's nothing special to Hawk just a plain old nylon washer..

So, just to point out something.. I think the reason Hawk and Hegners have such a learning curve to mount the blades is because of the saw design.. The upper arms on these are not fixed to the motor and the lower arm like they are on most other saws.. If you break a blade on a Hawk or Hegner and it takes you a few second to get the power shut down.. the upper arm moves independent.. so breaking a blade means only the lower arm is powered still.. breaking a blade makes the upper arm ( being they are spring loaded ) pop up and out of the way.. The only thing that "powers" the upper arm is the blade being connected to the lower " powered arm ".. THIS is why blade tension is so critical on these type of saws.. Both the Hawk and Hegner are picky about having the blade exactly inserted and tensioned.. and why I say there is a learning curve that takes time to get the hang of, especially after being used to deWalt, excalibur pegas type saws.. Those saws if you break a blade the upper and lower arms are still connected to the motor and those short little arms at the front of the saw are pretty forgiving if tension isn't "perfect"

That variable speed lag is normal and I wish my new BM series had that.. When you have a instant on / speed at start up on those very long arms of those big saws ( especially the 26" ) that is a lot of strain on saw blades.. A lot of folks either love or hate to have to reach around the angle mechanism to install the blade.. I like it either way but I really do like having the sawdust mess land on top of the saw stand back there rather than on my lap.. I prefer that set up over the BM series.. and after a few weeks it becomes second nature to install the blade.. Thankfully it's only like that to change a blade rather than every time you move to a different hole.. that would be different then, LOL The wedge isn't pricey really and usually readily available.. the nylon washer can be had at a hardware store for around $0.40..

Yeah they have a 20" BM series.. the one I've never heard of is a G4 in a 20".. probably have them but I've never seen or heard of one. When they came out with the BM series they made a 16" , 20" , and the 26.. the 16" was really only a prototype that only a few were made and they dropped it..

I've got the easter bunny and Shamrock patterns printed for the next ones but it also might be a while since I just got some new toys for the CNC to put together and set up. That seahorse one looks like it would take a while to cut, LOL

I might be wrong but I think some of the G4 saws didn't have the "painted uprights" with the aluminum accents. I believe some was just all aluminum and actually look like all the other saws other than the table was more teardrop shaped. The BM series have all the same features I think.. There was some minor cosmetic differences with the tension lever which I think the G4 has a nicer lever for doing top feeding. I can take some specific photos of my BM -26 if someone wants a specific view of something. All the BM series I have seen was all just polished aluminum rather than the painted red uprights etc. like I think "some" of the G4 were too. I contemplated getting the 20" when I bought the new saw and in some ways wish I would have since I have the 226 Ultra as well.. I really liked the size of my 220VS and think I'd like a 220 Ultra or BM series. I'm not sure how but the BM-26 ( I think ) is slightly shorter footprint than my Ultra. Maybe something to do with the blade coming out in front of the angle mechanism.

Basically size.. a 220 is a 20" throat and the 226 is a 26" throat. Also usually they incorporate VS for variable speed as well as having a 220-3 which is a 3 speed changed via step pulleys. Some are just single speed as in plain old 220 or 226 etc. They never really distinguished the difference in a regular old round clamp saw and a Ultra.. so that is hard to know without seeing the lower clamp style or lower arm. The G4 came out which is basically the same thing as the new BM series with some minor upgrades to the BM series. Up until G4 and later saws they was only bottom feed saws and the lower arm set back behind the angle mechanism.. G4 and later saws had the arm come through the angle part and also had variable blade aggression adjustment. Ultras only had two position adjustment, rear position for cutting thick wood and the front position more straight up down less aggressive blade for thin material and fine detail work.