What am I doing wrong ??

[don watson]

I have been trying to follow your tutorial on creating a picture with a gray fill and a black stroke (though I want a red stroke). So far I have had no success and I was wondering if there was a way of making the stroke red in Gimp ??. Either way I hope someone canhelp as I am very close to breaking point with this problem.

Anyone ??

Don W

 

[Fab4]

Hi Don:
Is this what you want
Fab4

 

[Fab4]

Hi again Don
This is the way I get it done - I'm sure there are other ways but just follow my road map  
You should get to where you want to...Good Luck

I forgot to add - This was done In INKSCAPE    
Fab4

Edited August 23, 2019 by Fab4
added what I forgot

[JimErn]

Now the way you did that Fab, I've never seen - interesting

I use path to bit map too

at the bottom, hover over the red, right click and set stroke

do the same for another color but set fill

[JimErn]

@don watson

I do not use gimp, though I have it, I use photoshop.  In photo shop, on the image layer in the layer palette, double click on it to bring up options, one of those is stroke

[Fab4]

40 minutes ago, JimErn said:

Now the way you did that Fab, I've never seen - interesting

I use path to bit map too

at the bottom, hover over the red, right click and set stroke

do the same for another color but set fill

Hi Jim:
Thanks, there's a lot less clicking here and there the way you describe it
I think I just changed my way of doing it              
I was hoping someone would post another, maybe easier way
I know that there are different ways of getting to the same thing
This is how I do it, from trial and error. 
It works (for me) so I quit looking for ways to do it  (until now)
Fab4

Edited August 23, 2019 by Fab4
added to comment

[Fab4]

41 minutes ago, JimErn said:

Now the way you did that Fab, I've never seen - interesting

I use path to bit map too

at the bottom, hover over the red, right click and set stroke

do the same for another color but set fill

Hi Jim:
Much easier and quicker your way
Thanks
Fab4

[JimErn]

11 hours ago, Fab4 said:

Hi Jim:
Much easier and quicker your way
Thanks
Fab4

Glad to help

[Fab4]

Hi again Don
Do it the way Jim @JimErn explained it, so much easier and faster
Right click on the color you want  from the colors at the bottom and choose FILL OR STROKE as he explains

Thanks again Jim, learned something new 

Fab4

 

[don watson]

Thanks Guys for the helpful comments. I am afraid I haven't explained what my problem was very well.

I have a book, Wildlife Collector Plates for the Scroll Saw, a collection of 60 patterns. From this book I can save the pattern and try and convert the lines to red (it helps me when cutting). Each pattern is on 2 pages with the centre design on 1 page and the rim (in 2 pieces) on the other page. Following Travis's instructions I can only get the one piece to my satisfaction,  the centre design.

I have attached the 2 pages to help you see what I am trying and hope you can help me out here.

@Fab4, I have tried the way suggested and it works as expected and is the way I would do it if I was creating anew. But I have no success using Travis's method on 1 page out of 2

@JimErn, I only have Gimp and Inkscape and they don't seem to have the dropdown list that apply in Photoshop.

Which leaves me in a hole at the moment, I will soldier on and see what I can figure it. I am sure someone posted a method of doing this in Gimp so I will trawl the files and see if I can find it.

Meanwhile I have attached the 2 pages I am trying to put a red outline on, 1 page is ok but the other refuses to cooperate.

take care

Don W

 

afternoon_reverie_2_red.svg

[Foxfold]

I still think that if you 'import' your pattern to Inkscape,  do a Trace Bitmap and right click the red colour it will do what you want. You can only put lines on the 'Bitmap' piece though not on the original.

[JimErn]

I had the same problem as you are talking about.  Actually some pics I bring into inkscape just will not do a trace bitmap at all and I am not sure why.

Any who, I gave it a shot using photoshop first and then inkscape, I'm still fumbling around in inkscape so hopefully someone else can do better

afternoon_reverie_2_red.svg

[Foxfold]

Here's my Inkscape effort

DonWatson.pdf

[don watson]

Thanks All, I have finally succeeded in what I want. I only wanted a red line that I could see when I was cutting.

@Brenda, You made me look again at what I was doing and DUUUHHH,I was deleting the wrong image. I have attached the sheets that I have just done and they look ok but they may be a bit different in the scale factor. After doing the Trace Bitmap I reduced the width to 210 mm to fit on an A4 sheet and printed them off. I will cut one and see what happens.

Thanks again everyone for your help.

take care

Don W

 

afternoon_reverie_2_red.svg afternoon_reverie_red.svg

[Fab4]

Hi Don:
Glad to hear you got what you were after
Great teamwork on the replies
Fab4

[don watson]

@Fab4, the members on this forum are simply the best. There are usually 2 or 3 right answers and they always deliver the goods.

Thanks again everyone and take care

Don W

 

[Fab4]

1 hour ago, don watson said:

@Fab4, the members on this forum are simply the best. There are usually 2 or 3 right answers and they always deliver the goods.

Thanks again everyone and take care

Don W

 

Don:
You hit the nail on the head with that statement, no other place like this on the internet
The Village Rocks
Fab4

[don watson]

Sorry about folks but I am back with this problem again. I have what I want in getting a red line around the object but when we tried it at the 'Shed' today it was pointed out to me that was not what Travis had in his object, he had a grey fill and a red stroke. We tried countless times today to get a grey stroke but with no luck. I have been trying this evening and cannot get a grey fill and a red stroke.

After I trace Bitmap, I can right click 20% grey but it only turns the lines grey, I then right click red and the lines turn red over the grey ??? Can anyone see what I am doing wrong ??

take care

Don W

EDIT grey stroke should read grey fill (sorry about that)

Edited August 27, 2019 by don watson

[JimErn]

I'm confused one statement calls for red stoke, the next calls for gray, regardless ...

Try after you trace the bitmap, there should be a bounding box around the pic with the handles you use to expand it - if not click it

put the mouse pointer over the color red (or the color you want as a stroke) a the bottom right click and select set stroke

put the mouse pointer over the color gray (0r the color you want as fill) at the bottom right click select set fill

what happens when you just do the above

[don watson]

Thanks for the quick reply Jim, I have carried out the above instruction and took a screen shot. It shows that the little logo on the top left of the page has indeed been transformed to what I am looking for.

Whenever I right click on the colour (grey) and choose Fill it only makes the lines grey and when I then right click on a colour (red) and choose Stroke it makes the lines red.

The only thing it seems to work on is the little logo ?

Don W

 

[Foxfold]

2 hours ago, don watson said:

Can anyone see what I am doing wrong ??

You are not doing anything wrong as far as I can see. I tried to do what you wanted in Inkscape and couldn't, I'm just not sure why. It must be something to do with the 'original' picture.

[jollyred]

I have also had problems putting fill in an object in Inkscape.  One of the things I have found is that you have to have one path that encloses the area to be filled.  I saw on your screenshot that you have almost 6,000 nodes in one path, which makes the entire drawing one path.  I think all the little enclosed areas in the drawing are confusing the program, which is mostly what is causing your problems.

Select everything in the drawing, then go to "Break apart" under "Path".  This will separate  the big and little areas, and allow them to be filled (fill the small areas white, it will be clear why this fill needs to be white later).  Then the bigger objects can be shaded on their own.  This will cause all the little areas to seem to disappear, which is easily remedied by selecting the big areas again and "Send to bottom" under "Objects".  This will put the little areas above the large areas so they can be seen, and the white fill will cover the gray fill of the large areas.

You will probably have to play with the paths of the areas to get them filled properly.  They have to be a single complete path.  Any breaks in the path will screw with the fill, and it will not work properly.  One thing that I noticed that might be a problem is the matchlines on the large areas.  You will need to remove the extensions of these outside the area to be filled.  They can be replace later if you need them.

[Foxfold]

Hi Don.  Does this help ?

What I did is create a square, coloured it gray, import your pattern and put your pattern on top of the square. Highlight them both together, go to 'object' and select 'group' - this puts them both together. I saved it as a pdf.

DonWatsonGrouped.pdf

[don watson]

Thanks again for all your help.

I am going to leave this for a while as I am getting very frustrated and at 80 years of age I don't really need the hassle.

 I have tried the various suggestions all morning and have become very frustrated at my efforts. I will take a break and come back to this . I know it works as I have carried out the courses that Travis has posted in the Village University and the patience he showed when I had a problem was most helpful. Unfortunately my memory is not as good now and even when switching from one page to another in a programme I can forget what is was I was doing.

As I said, I will relax for a while and calm down, my wife has just suggested we go up the coast a bit to the 'pick your own'  fruit farm, I am sure that will help after a pot of tea and a scone I will try again.

thanks all

Don W

 

[don watson]

I have had a look again at the problem I am having and I think the images I am using are not really suitable. When I have used the Trace Bitmap feature the images I get are not complete lines ? I have attached 2 images from this evenings work and I think they may explain what I mean.

Image_1 shows the result of Trace Bitmap followed by right click on 20% grey  and choosing Fill then right click on red and choosing stroke.

Image_2 shows the result of Trace Bitmap followed by right click on red and choosing Stroke

I think I will need to dig out the book and see if I can get a better scan from the pages, I don't know if that will work ??

On Image_2 the right hand pic is the trace

Edited August 28, 2019 by don watson
attached pics