TheWoodArtist

Thanks for the input... I've decided to go ahead and buy him out of all his scrollsaw stuff (patterns, tools, and other things). This being said, I'm only going to keep the original patterns and trash the copies.. This person is an oldtimer and isn't making money off of this I promise with what he told me he wanted and he's not advertising this either, he's a family friend that I think is slowly getting out of the woodworking business all together and told me he would sale them after visiting but also wanted to make sure I and he wouldn't get in trouble. I told him that with the price I'm buying the tools and he's giving me the patterns, books, mags and so on. I will take each pattern on an individual basis, if I am not 100% about the usage I'll contact either the designer or publisher or both depending on the pattern itself. I know a lot of people buy out people/businesses a lot and do know of a few that have bought someone's design library in the buyout and that's what they told me to do this evening after having a talk with a few of them. They said that I should be ok with the situation just might not be able to sale the finished projects on some, but most designers would be willing to either give me the permission or have me purchase permission maybe even at a discount. I do know a lot of these pattern books are obsolete as I said he's an oldtimer and have been doing this for a while. Again, thanks for the responses.

I'm posting this in a couple of groups I belong to so just posting a comment on one will work, just doing it to get all the comments I can: I am thinking about buying a woodworkers patterns that he has made and ones he bought as he's getting out of scrollsawing and going into other forms of woodworking. My question is this: would this be considered a copyright issue on the ones he bought as I will be making some of the patterns myself. I'm just curious as I do some woodworking as a business (that is when I'm not making something and end up giving it away as a gift). I know what the copyright laws are but I also know that people buy people out a lot also. Thanks!

Thanks all. It was an awesome day well actually weekend I started my birthday on Friday....LOL!!! Anyways, thanks for the wishes.

Your welcome, glad I was able to help!!!!

Here's the link for a book of civil war patterns http://www.amazon.com/Scroll-Saw-Civil-War-Portraits/dp/1565231694/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391635795&sr=8-1&keywords=civil+war+scroll+saw+patterns Here's a link for a bunch of sites that has civil war patterns also https://www.google.com/search?q=civil+war+scroll+saw+patterns&oq=Civil+war+scroll&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j69i60j0j69i60j0.15095j0j4&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

Actually you would be using the photograph to make the pattern and I think it was Travis that told me once that even though you aren't using the original photo you will be using the image and that's like taking someones design and changing it just a little and calling it your design which isn't right it would still be the original designers but seeing that like you said it's old and I doubt anyone would fuss over it. Another thing I might say is that even though the photo is on the web don't make it public domain, this I know from experience. An example, someone makes a pattern and shares it here for all to use someone can't take it and claim it as their's or post it without permission. You may ask Travis if you could post some of the ones you would like done and I know there are designers here including myself that would be more than happy to help you design them.

Don't let it be discouraging. Now I've been told that if you are making it for personal use and aren't going to share or sell either the pattern or finished piece then you would be okay with using any of them however, I'm not sure if that's right or not. I know some have done this but not post or share them, just have seen the finished pieces in their houses and shops. Again, I'm not saying this is ok or not just giving you ideas from myself and others.

The copyright thing is a very touchy thing and can't be taken lightly nor should it. I don't know enough about it to help you but will tell you how I go about getting and image. When I find one I want to use I try and find out who has posted it if I can't find anything about copyright on the image or site and contact them about using the image and explain why and what I want to do with the image and surprisingly I've not had any problems with using them after contacting them. Now I've had a few that I could find any info about in which I don't use that image and I've had to cut an extra for them and ship it to them with them paying shipping only in which those I think really hard about before doing depends on the image and if it's worth doing that or not. It can be time consuming but it's worth it considering the cost it would be to infringe on copyrights. Hope this helps and I hope maybe someone else that knows a little more about this subject can give you and even myself more info.

try searching for them as scroll saw patterns and see what comes up or search just for those generals and if they aren't copyrighted you can post them in "pattern request" I'm sure someone here would help you with a pattern. Depending on if I'm behind as I am right now I would see if I can help with one or so.

I didn't mean it like that, sorry I wasn't more specific. It happens a lot but for the most part others ask for permission before posting and give credit but there are a few that don't. At least he's trying or so it sounds. I've actually had patterns of someone else that wasn't signed and had them posted on my site by the person that ran my site thinking that b/c they weren't signed were my designs and once it was noticed by myself or the designer it was corrected. Where I see a problem is if after knowing they belong to someone else the person posting them don't do anything either removing it or getting permission to post. I'm not saying I agree with it but then again the free patterns are posted on free pattern sites and in a way they are just reposted to another free site. IF THE DESIGNER DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN THEN EITHER PUT ON THE PATTERN THAT (AS SOME HAVE DONE THAT) OR DON'T POST TO FREE SITES IN THE FIRST PLACE. I could go on and on with this subject as it's the hottest topic on the internet now but what's the use. The only true way to not have this happen is to not post patterns. But as a designer myself, I post them so others can use them. I would like to have credit or asked but being that I post them when I do for free use theirs not really anything that can be done about it unless I pay to have them legally copyrighted which honestly it isn't worth the price to go through all that. If I design a pattern I don't want shared I just don't post it just a finished piece.

The admin. has added a new post about copyright. He stated in it that he got a lot of the patterns from the old "free4all site." He stated in it that if one of the patterns posted is yours and you want your name added or want the pattern removed to contact him. I agree with Roly, it's a site to get free patterns of patterns that are free on one fourm or site and it's not a big deal unless he's selling patterns. This is how I see it, if it's your pattern handle it with him in private not on another fourm.

Don that's the version I use to. Dick, here's the place I downloaded mine at. Again I suggest saving it to your computer before installing and make sure you uninstall the version you have. http://www.oldapps.com/gimp.php If that don't work maybe you can find it here. https://www.google.com/search?q=download+older+versions+of+gimp&oq=Dow&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j69i59j69i65l3j69i61.3216j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

You will have to uninstall the version you have first or you won't be able to do it. I would suggest instead of downloading and installing save it to your computer first then go and install it.

The gimp Travis is using in the videos are an older version of gimp. You can find the version (I'm not sure which version he used though) he used by doing a search for "older versions of gimp". You'll be able to download that version to be able to follow along with the videos, then you can play around with the newer versions which I use not the newest version but not the oldest version either. I took a try with the pattern request and I'm sorry I couldn't get a good pattern out of it. I'm sure there will be someone on here that'll be able to help you on this.

Hey Robert, I'm also a fellow razorback. I'm down the hill from you in the fort. Welcome to the village and you'll get great info and tips and help from everyone here.

I'm sure others will chime in on this also. In the mean time here's my opinion on this. When you take a picture of your finished piece you can put it on your website as is however, it's a good thing and makes the designers happy if you give them credit on the design in your post. Just putting their name like it is on the pattern is fine but you can also put the group/fourm link where you got it also. Sometimes it's hard to remember the designers name so if you don't have the name of the designer or you forget it just don't say the design is yours and you will be ok. A lot of designers design patterns for others to cut and some even make patterns for others to cut knowing they may sell the finished pieces. It's a way of thanking them when you give them the credit. Hope this helps.

I use adhesive to apply my patterns to wood and sometimes use packing tape over that but not too much to hold the pattern more to lube the blade but it also helps to hold the pattern down. When finished cutting I use a heat gun/ hair dryer on high heat and carefully as not to burn or catch the paper on fire and heat it and it releases the pattern really easy and then take spirit oil or paint thinner dilluted with water and clean the wood to remove residue. Hope this helps.

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I use it also and love it. I haven't used any other ones. Makes for enlarging or even reducing patterns a breeze.

Some use the dipping technique. I have used this method and still do sometimes, especially on fretwork. It works great but I still always spray clear and use a few coats and use a sandpaper of really fine grit and even use a piece of cheese cloth in between coats of clear.

I use both but mostly pinless and yes for the most part they are easy to change and work with the only ones I found to give a little problems is the spiral blades but then I have the older style ones that aren't straight on the ends I've saw the new design FD spirals that have straight ends so when I use up the ones I have now I'll be getting them. They aren't that bad to get to stay just have to pay closer attention to get them in the right spot on the clamps. I think you'll have no problems with this one as it's toolless blade change and it allows you to see the bottom clamp pretty easy also. I also love the clean up on it two screws and you have access inside. Plus it don't need to be oilled at all. I thought it did and read the manual it says you don't need it. Of course I did use some 3n1 oil on it and it made it even work better. I also like the table slant adjuster as it is pretty accurate and has a gauge to help get the angle right.

I have the pc saw that came with the stand and have had it for a couple of months and have used the crap out of it. The only down fall is the blower but that's going to be a downfall on any saw once i set up the blower with a fish pump it works great I have no complaints. For the money, it's a good saw. I debated with it and the craftsman and went with this on as the craftsman came with no stand. I use to use a craftsman and liked it. But now think the pc is a little better and being that it comes with the stand everything matched up and made less vibration and noise. I give this saw a 7 on a scale from 1 to 10. The only thing I would change on it would be put a higher wattage light on it. Other than that it's great.

I knew you would get it straight Travis, I wasn't sure what the publication was getting at, the only thing I got from it was what I previously said and that they were asking for everyone's help on pointing the sites and companies out that were using the logo for wrong purposes.