JTTHECLOCKMAN

Absolutely.

Come back in another two days. Or just do not click on this thread. Simple.

I see this is taking another turn now but to your point about not being any RBI. So what we move on do not drag us along a path of uncertainty. I will answer your other question being you are comparing yourself to RBI. These are not custom made parts. What about this do you not get Kevin. Send an email your parts are in I will now charge your card. How hard is that to do??????????????? To your point about crafts. I always charged 1/2 price and rest on delivery. I have been burned before but I got half the money which paid for materials. How you operate is up to you. What others do should be no concern to you. Did this throughout my years doing consignment stores. Had 2 customers change their minds but it is stipulated by the owners that they lose their deposit because you did go ahead and make the item. At shows I tell customers I do not do custom work and I don't. Not worth the effort at all. I have added names to a piece that was already made but that is different. I could easily take them off and resell. But if cut into piece I did not make it. You say you will lose money. If it is on your site then it is something you make but just do not have any at the time. If you stop selling then you are fraudulently selling. Now if they want custom names that one is on you and being in business you should realize this happens. Life happens. Live with it.

Now you know you have to show off this piece when done

Now here is where you need to step it up. Tell him to give you the diamond plate and cut it on your scrollsaw. I am doing this with a pen box I am making for a chevy pen.

I am with Tom on this. Just some info of what I do. I never use wax and steel wool. I never use steel wool. I use the synthetic pads and use lemon oil. I do this alot when using micromesh pads and polishing out a piece. Wax gets in the grain and scratch lines and can really mess with a finish. Just my way of doing things. Nether right nor wrong.

Doug not to discourage you but I have discussed the lower blade clamp here some time ago and that is an easy fix as I said. Yes harbor freight has a kit with roller pins and you can get many sizes. Someone had mentioned that they started milling those clamps without the roll pin and the 2 legs off the side are all part of the clamp now. If that is not the case then so be it. They were cheap enough so I ordered them. I have plenty of older ones that I can fix and did fix. And no that $12 part does not fix the problem and thus the $50 part is needed. My saw is up and running from my fixes but again I should not have to do this I am more than willing to pay for the parts. Just make available. My scrolling is done for the season now anyway. I am now focussing on turning pens which is another hobby of mine. The whole part of this is the taking of the money from my account and them sitting on it and drawing interest off my money. That rubs me the wrong way.

Doug I need the quick release parts for both my RBI saws. The link was posted above yours. It is the $50 part. Ordered 2. I did as you indicated and jury rigged one of them Just filed the cam down to make it flatter because after use the metal rolls over. Then what happens as you are sawing the lever pops up and you lose tension of blade. I ordered 3 more of the lower blade holders because as I mentioned I think they went with a solid piece as opposed to a block with a roll pin in it to support in holder. Over time that roll pin will bend and now the blade does not track straight. I use my saws alot. Not as much as I use to but still a fair amount of time. My days of consigment stores, and 6 shows a year are behind me. I had replace that quick release once before but the company that originally owned RBI had them in stock and I replaced with the one that was on the saw. No need to upgrade. You make my point for me and agree with you 100%, there is not much that goes wrong with these saws but at some time parts wear out. To stock parts that wear out does not take a whole lot of shelf space or $$$ because many parts are interchangeable. The big expense is the motors on the saws. Why should I have to hunt someone down to mill parts for me and charge me twice as much. Even if they sell 2 of these a year what difference does it make?? Are they working on that short of a shoelace to run this business. When it is a part time business for them does not bode well for saw owners. Paying that much money for a saw you hope there is a team there to back them up. This is not a China piece of trash. Again I have the ultra saws and love them and made alot of money with them. I bought them and spent the money up front to get a commercial saw that stood the test of time and it has. I did not anticipate the owner change and then having this poor service. How in the world is that good business practice?? I use to promote RBI saws all the time but this soar taste in my mouth can not be washed out. And to top it all off they charge your card right away. No problems there. You order a saw that is big money they now can play with. All I can say is buyer beware. Have no idea what their plans are and if they will continue down this path. If they do they will be overrun because there are more big time players in the field now. So that short shoelace will get even shorter.

The $50 part is the one I ordered and they are not in stock They are the same style except for the push pin. Ordered the lower clamps. I believe they now make them a one piece item instead of a roll pin in them I fixed mine by replacing the roll pin so not concerned but wanted to try the new blocks. Not in stock. Ordered some FD reverse blades and they were in stock but after using them I do not believe they are either from the same company but they cut differently and the packaging is different. Sent my invoice back with in big red letters partial order, will send remainder when it comes available. Got in touch with them about 3 weeks ago through their web site. Could not get on the phone even in the morning. Then we started emailing. They told me I can have my money back but like I told them they have me between a rock and a hard place because I can not get the parts anywhere else. Now with one of my saws I jury rigged the cam and filed it flat so that the arm locks and does not jump open when sawing like it was. I should not have to do this and am willing to buy new parts. There is just so many parts that can fail on a scrollsaw and those are the parts you need to have in stock. So inventory is minimal so that excuse about lose of money does not fly. This is just not a way to run a business if you want customers. Again I will say this till I am blue in the face we buy the better commercial grade saws so we do not have to buy a new saw every 2 years. $1200+ is nothing to sneeze at. How many people are mechanically inclined enough to jury rig things and do work arounds to make up for lack of competence from a company. If the help and parts are not available then why buy that expensive of a saw. If I had to buy a saw today it would be the Hegner hands down. I do not like the arm action of all these Dewalt look alikes. I am done with this. I said my piece just like you complained when you bought your new saw and the runaround they gave you. I have my 220 running so I will wait them out. Have no other choice.

That came out great and I remember when you posted the idea here some time ago. Nice work.

Again you seem to want to defend these guys with your last breathe so have at it. Kevin I can fix the clamps just knock out the pin and I have done that. The replacement quick release parts is what is needed. I have another saw so it has not affected me. But if that were the only 2 saws I had and ran a business like you are doing what would you do. You keep bringing up Delta. They no longer exist pal. Delta is not the Delta that made that saw. Dremel is not the same company, Have no idea what Ryobi is. RBI is the same company under new leadership. THEY BOUGHT THE COMPANY and with it all the saws. You do not just stop making parts because you choose to change styles. Again not good business. Imagine car companies doing that and the parts for them. Oh that was last years model we don't carry parts for them any more. You should take your own advice and stock up on parts. You seem to have a fetish with bearings so grab a bunch of them. Never know when you will be in that situation. By the way is it not the same release system on todays saws?? If that is the case then this is even more of a tragedy.

I guess you can cross off the save time part. Lesson learned. If you ever use a product and have no idea how it will turn out in the end, it is always good to run test pieces and make sure you do everything you will do with the real project for an accurate test. Have no idea what this project looks like and what is poly and what is shellacked so my thoughts are sand it back and do the poly. Be just as much time spent.

It is that many people in line because they are not making all year round. There was not 57 that ordered Christmas time. I bet there were many people who waited much longer than you because it was farming season when they ordered. You mention cheap China made saws and that is what you are comparing to. ??????????? Those clamps and that quick release lever were used up till a few years ago. There are more saws out there with that setup then this new system. It is not that it is a 20 year old saw. The parts are not nearly 20 years old. Whose fault is it they keep changing types of saws. Like you said Hegner has not changed much since it started the business. $1200+ saw you expect better service. You are not buying a cheap throw away China made saw. Tell me they will not carry parts any more than I move on. To not stock simple items like this is ridiculous. What they wait till they get an order of 50 so they can run a batch. Is that how they operate. Look at the dewalt saw, change countries and still get same parts. Have not changed the saw any. They been around just as long. Do not tell me it takes up room and is stock that is not making money. That is stupid reasoning. Kevin why don't you tell your customers they can have their ornaments 3 months from now and see how fast your business disappears. Tell them your saw broke down and you are waiting on parts. Your arguments do not hold water. They do not know how to run a business. You will never change my mind that this is a poorly run business and if I was in the market for a saw today it would never be a RBI. And this is coming from a 2 time RBI user and owner.

Are you kidding Kevin?????????????????? Get real man. Kevin THEY TOOK OVER THE BUSINESS. HOW MUCH ROOM DOES IT TAKE TO HOLD BLADE HOLDERS. So what it is a 20 year old saw. Just throw a $1200 saw away because they do not stock parts. Small items KEVIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hope you never need parts from them with that new saw of yours. Busy, how many $1200 saws do you think they are selling with so many $500 saws on the market these days. If they can not handle the business then get out and let it be taken over by someone who can or just let it completely dry up. Then we all will know the situation. But to draw from your account and not produce simple parts is not cool and yes I am pissed. You spin it anyway you want you won't convince me.

Boy wish you were closer. I have an 18" Hegner and a type1 Dewalt that we could have made a deal for.

I love my Hawk saws too. I have a hegner and a dewalt also and go to saws always have been the Hawks . But when they do not stock very simple non expensive parts and so far has taken over 3 months to get parts is not a good business no matter how you slice it. You buy a new saw today who knows if they will be in business tomorrow. So again buyer beware. When I bought the Hawks the company was well run and in charge. This is a kids show. I could care less how nice the lady is taking orders she is not making them or ordering parts. She answers the damn phone. I will put hammer down after the holiday. No more excuses. Just curious when did the great lady on the phone tell you that you can have your saw?????????????????????????????

That is another woodworking debate. They can be very useful if building a table top. Lining up boards before glue dries can be a juggling act. For a small non support piece probably not. For scrollsawing fret work definitely do not want to use. I have used biscuit in edge miters all the time to give extra holding when making boxes if I do not use splines. I even used them when doing my moldings in my house so I know they work and work well.

Lets not make this rocket science here. You can tell by looking at a blade just about what size it is. Now weather it is a skip tooth double skip tooth or even a PG blade. It gets you in the area and if you are accustomed to run those type blades it is just sinful to throw them out because you are too lazy to look. Now the difference between a #2 or #3 or blades that are close to each other in size would be difficult to tell apart. I never could understand people who move up or down one size in blades and makes that big of a difference. I have been scrolling for over 35 years and if changing blade size it will be a substantial change in size. Many charts out there that show side views of blades and should not be too hard to get in the ball park. We are not building and cutting diamonds.

Yep.

Heck I have been in this cleaning mode now the whole week and still have some to go but starting to see the light. I found a board i use to keep near my saws and it had a load of blades and no label or bag so I have no idea what they are. I will as others suggested throw one in and see If I like it and or use it for roughing things out. Hate to throw away.

I will disagree with this comment on so may levels. Biscuits will indeed add strength and also aide in alignment. PVA glue is not the best glue with oily woods and yes they need to be wiped down for sure. I know these topics get debated all the time in the woodworking world and there are examples that support both sides but why take a chance is how I look at it. Can not hurt. By the way again controversy but either G-2 (System Three Epoxy) or G/Flex (West System Epoxy) is good for exotic woods.

Good LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chatter you will see you have been thoroughly warned.

Always did love Dirk's patterns and this one is great. Did you get the pendulum to run?? That maybe an older photo but it looks like it is running there.

Dave that is sound advice about washing with acetone. I do that with all exotics.

That looks like the type of pattern work one of our own pattern makers does. i want to say Bobscroll It has that Irish trim ring that he does.