wood glue on a stained surface

[BillinNH]

So I'm in the process of cutting Sue Mey's house with out a cat  pattern and I want to put a dark stained baltic birch backer on it.Can I use wood glue to glue the oak cut out to the pre stained backer? If not what glue would you recomend? 

[tgiro]

If  you're using an alcohol base stain on the backer it will probably work fine. If it is a latex or water base it might not soak through the stain.

Having said all that - your piece isn't a heavy load bearing piece, so any glue will probably work ok.

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

5 minutes ago, BillinNH said:

So I'm in the process of cutting Sue Mey's house with out a cat  pattern and I want to put a dark stained baltic birch backer on it.Can I use wood glue to glue the oak cut out to the pre stained backer? If not what glue would you recomend? 

Yes you can but wood glues rely on leaching down into the wood and locking onto wood fibers. When you stain you could possible seal off those wood fibers. Many times depends on what type stains used. Oil will seal more than waterbase. So to your question yes it has been done with success. Others could attest to this I am sure. What I like to use is Aileens tacky glue. This is a glue that adheres to surfaces but can also leech into wood grain, so the best of both worlds. I use epoxy when gluing plastics and metals or glass to a project. Your milage may vary as they say.  

[BillinNH]

The stain I want to use is minwax penetrating stain in a ebony shade.I have some gorilla glue that may work.

[BillinNH]

2 hours ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said:

Yes you can but wood glues rely on leaching down into the wood and locking onto wood fibers. When you stain you could possible seal off those wood fibers. Many times depends on what type stains used. Oil will seal more than waterbase. So to your question yes it has been done with success. Others could attest to this I am sure. What I like to use is Aileens tacky glue. This is a glue that adheres to surfaces but can also leech into wood grain, so the best of both worlds. I use epoxy when gluing plastics and metals or glass to a project. Your milage may vary as they say.  

Thanks for the reply,I ordered some of that tacky glue from amazon.Mean while I'm going to try a test with the gorilla glue

Edited February 2, 2020 by BillinNH

[BillinNH]

2 hours ago, tgiro said:

If  you're using an alcohol base stain on the backer it will probably work fine. If it is a latex or water base it might not soak through the stain.

Having said all that - your piece isn't a heavy load bearing piece, so any glue will probably work ok.

thanks Tony

[dgman]

3 hours ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said:

Yes you can but wood glues rely on leaching down into the wood and locking onto wood fibers. When you stain you could possible seal off those wood fibers. Many times depends on what type stains used. Oil will seal more than waterbase. So to your question yes it has been done with success. Others could attest to this I am sure. What I like to use is Aileens tacky glue. This is a glue that adheres to surfaces but can also leech into wood grain, so the best of both worlds. I use epoxy when gluing plastics and metals or glass to a project. Your milage may vary as they say.  

Aileen’s tacky glue is what I use for most applications. For gluing dissimilar materials like metal hangers to wood I use E6000. It comes in a tube. It is flexible and dries clear. It creates a very strong bond. Available at any hardware or craft store.

[don in brooklin on]

I have been using Weldbond and it seems to stick anything to anything.

Just used it to stick a name in BB to a sign that had been sprayed with rattle can gloss paint.

It was originally recommended it by Carole Rathman and I use it on all my scroll projects.

 

 

 

 

[tomsteve]

ive used nothing but medium CA glue for 14+ years without a problem. lookin at that pattern, id apply a bead around the perimeter  of the cat and outside edge. then a dab in intricate parts and here and there on the letter. lay the backer on it, weight it down for 5 or so minutes, and done. it dries/cures clear so squeeze out isnt a problem

Edited February 2, 2020 by tomsteve

[LarryEA]

Sticky question... Elmers, Gorilla, Titebond will do the job,,,, stain or no !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Fedido]

Like others have said, Elmers wood glue should work. I was working on a piece a couple of weeks ago, broke off a part of an R. After I had a few choice words, I used elmers wood glue and a wood vice for 24 hours. I finished sanding it and applied Boiled Linseed oil and wax paste. Couldn't even tell it broke and the wife still loves it. 

 

Hendo

[Scrappile]

Weldbond mulit purpose glue would work and dries clear.  Titebond Quick and Thick will. 

[RabidAlien]

On 2/2/2020 at 12:49 PM, BillinNH said:

The stain I want to use is minwax penetrating stain in a ebony shade.I have some gorilla glue that may work.

I use the Minwax line, and Gorilla wood glue, never had a problem.  Ended up gluing one project together backwards, didn't notice until well after it had dried, and it took a lot of prying to get the cut and the backer apart. 

 

Then a lot of sanding, re-staining, and a new backer.

 

So, yeah, your setup will work fine!

[JimErn]

4 hours ago, RabidAlien said:

I use the Minwax line, and Gorilla wood glue, never had a problem.  Ended up gluing one project together backwards, didn't notice until well after it had dried, and it took a lot of prying to get the cut and the backer apart. 

 

Then a lot of sanding, re-staining, and a new backer.

 

So, yeah, your setup will work fine!

When I had that happen, I found that a putty knife (metal) held in the seam (push or tap it down every so often) and  blasted with a heat gun will separate the wood fairly easily.  hitting the putty knife with heat melts the glue bond without worrying about fibers from one board pulling out when separating.

[RabidAlien]

4 hours ago, JimErn said:

When I had that happen, I found that a putty knife (metal) held in the seam (push or tap it down every so often) and  blasted with a heat gun will separate the wood fairly easily.  hitting the putty knife with heat melts the glue bond without worrying about fibers from one board pulling out when separating.

Now that the coffee is settling in, I *think* I might've held a blow-dryer on it for a few minutes....that would explain why none of the delicate pieces broke off.    It was a while back, so details are fuzzy.