@Tallbald, first I ask your location. Then I want to say this. Regarding used Hegner saws, they may look bad but they don't wear out. They are built like tanks and require very little maintenance. So with that said, there are at least 6 of them near me in So. Cal. One is $600 and it is a jewel and 100% complete. Even has a cover. Don't be afraid of a used saw. Just do your due diligence and check them out. I have 3 saws, all bought used. I've never had a new saw. You have a large contingent of folks here with vast knowledge of all brands so ask questions and read all the past conversations regarding this subject. I hate to see anybody spend more money than necessary. Especially in this economy and being on a fixed income as most of us are. Don't be in a hurry. There's a great deal just waiting for you just around the corner.