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well Kevin, first of all, from personal experience, I don't dip anything anymore because most of the time I use shellac & lacquer. I hang my project & spray it. I don't have any trouble with product gettin' into tight places. Second, if you're goin' to stick a backer to your project, your wood needs to be clean, bare wood, or your glue won't hold, regardless of what type it is. You can paint your backer, let the paint cure out, then use spray glue on the back of your project BEFORE you clean the pattern off, then stick it to your backer. Put a little weight on it for a few hours to level it out & allow the glue to set & cure. Then peel your pattern off the project. If you can avoid it, try not to use a gloss paint on your backer. Your glue will stick better, & hold longer. You can use a clear coat, or lacquer when you finish it. That's what works for me. Hope it helps ya. Brad.

Laugh?!? Who's laughin', Mr. Kevin? I merely stated a fact.

look at this way, Mr. Kevin. Who's wood business is it? yours? or the customers? All of us have a limit where we just have to draw the line & move on. It's impossible to argue w/a brainless adversary. jmo.

I'm grounded from the shop due to back issues myself, Ike.:( I over did it workin on a memorial project for my cousin that passed away last week. Glad to hear you caught yerself a bass!:)

good thinkin', scrappy!

when I get into a situation like this, I just look at them & ask "do I come to your home or office & tell you all the changes YOU should make?" It usually shuts them up, & they make a decision or leave.:)

fyi, I have read them & do try to follow them.

thanks for all the replies, & I agree with everyone of you. It's tough to answer some posts due to what the op's asking at times in words. Other times, I just shake my head & go on. Having a bad day is ok. I come here alot after a bad day. We had a death in the family this week, & it has been a rough week, but to read you other guys' posts helps fill the dark spots. I'm here to learn & help, not bicker.

Sittin' at the saw during the night last night, I got to thinkin' about this. I try to read completely thru a thread at least once before I comment. Now, I realize I'm outspoken, opinionated, & have my own way of doin' & figgerin' things out. And, some of my comments don't always fit in with everybody else's. BUT, just how far can ya go before somebody gets their dander up, & the fire flies? I made a couple comments on a recent thread that had several of the similar comments I made, but it weren't long, & I started gettin' flack for what I said. Just because I didn't agree with everything in the thread, & felt maybe there were other ways to go about puttin' the info out. I'm old school. I would rather get myself a book & read about the subject than google it. Maybe it's the times, or the people, or I don't know. But does others experience matter at the point at hand, or opinions? Or is limited to a certain few? Make no mistake, I understand in some cases, somebody is goin' to disagree. Not all of us here are newbies. Not all of us have done things the others have. I thought that's why we were here was to learn from each other. I recently made a post about this site being the friendliest, helpful site I've ever been on. After this ordeal, I'm questionin' my judgement call.

there is a fix, hawkeye. It's just a matter of findin' the right person to help ya solve the issue.

call Hawk & ask for Nicole. Explain your issue to her. Sounds like your vs switch is goin' out. I spent quite a few hours on a 220vs. Nicole will get ya fixed up.

That's one thing I've found on this site, Mr. Kevin, is friendship & brotherhood amongst us when we're havin' a rough day, or problems with a pattern, saw issues, people problems, whatever it is, we're all able to pull together to try & help with experience, encouragement, & a voice that we can turn to just to talk. This is the friendliest, most encouraging site I've ever been on in the 25 years I've been in wood working. Sure, we all have our own "sweet way" of sayin' things sometimes, but the personalities here are all light hearted & understanding. Even with the different levels of experience, we are all able to seem to pull together to help each other. That's what scrollin' & woodworkin' is all about. To learn & help each other. I've met alot of good folks here, & learned alot, too. God bless, & happy Easter!!!

I'm not sure about that, Mr. Kevin, but I appreciate your kind words. Don't let this drag ya down is basically what I was tryin' to say. You know your capabilities & how to do them well. Keep scrollin'!

I envy you Sir! I try to get to the shop & Mrs. Boss or mom catches me We've got my mom here w/us, she has a knee that's shot & her Sawbones told her she wasn't safe to be alone, so guess who got appointed to look after her but it's ok. Mom is more important. I'll get back to the shop, sometime Enjoy your trip, Sir, & collect all the ideas you can for new patterns for you & your scroll saw

I've usually got at least 3 or 4 goin' at once. The joys of owning multiple saws. Most of my pieces are Native American or something "creative" Mrs. Boss has cooked up for me to do. Amongst other wood workin' projects I'm tryin' to accomplish. You're not alone on this one, tuner.

I'm happy to hear ya got a grin from my post, Sir. Some folks are just built not to listen to reason. I've dealt with all kinds of folks in my life, Mr. Kevin. Bein' a truckdriver, ya deal with everything from brain dead dispatchers to hot headed brokers to weather to folks who were donated a drivers' license just to say they got one. And in every situation, I found it was just best to sit in the pilot seat & do what I done best. Drive my truck. On occasion, I'd be late with a load, but it was rare. When I bumped the dock, & had been sittin' there for 12 - 14 hours, & dispatch & the broker were still screamin' about where their load was, I just told them I was sittin' at the dock, WITH the reefer runnin', & was curious who was going to pay my sit time bill of $50/hour. The response on the other end of the phone was the usual "uhhhh, well, we'll getcha unloaded directly." That's part of the reason I retired after 35 years. It never happens, my friend. You're exactly right, nothin' is set in stone. But some folks forget about the dedication those of us have that do care about the other person. :( Keep scrollin' brother! God bless!

Another reason I never deliver, Mr. Kevin. I don't take many special orders, only around Christmas time. I figure if the customer has time to stop by my shop & make the order with me, I can make a phone call to let them know it's finished, & set up a day & time for them to come back to pick it up. Remember, you can't argue with a brainless adversary, & the customer is occasionally correct.

Sounds like ya got it figured, Ig. Yer learnin'. breakdowns suck! No matter what color the saw is! keep makin' sawdust, brother! God bless!!

Like JT said, being careful how you assess & value a saw is important. Resale value of a 788 may sound good, but take a look at the users that aren't able to get parts for that shiny yellow saw, & all the problems that are constantly asked about in given posts on here. Is that $300 - $400 worth the frustration of having to own 6 of the same saw to keep one runnin'? That sounds like salvage yard thinkin', to me. I may ruffle feathers here, but think about it. And the key comment here is "for sale A LOT." What does that tell you? I bought a 20 year old 220VS Hawk 2 1/2 years ago with very few hours on it. Nearly mint condition. I put enough hours on it in two years, it was cheaper to just trade it off for a bigger & brand new saw, rather than keep pumpin' money into a dead horse. The Hawk saws are top of the line saws, & a pricey pay out. But what do want to do? Scroll? Or spend your time salvaging parts to run a few more hours? I know when I call Hawk for parts, they'll have it, & get it out to me immediately. Tech support is superb! And before you completely judge me, I've also got a CW - 40 Hitachi. The first saw I bought new over 20 years ago. Still runs like new! the only thing I've done to it is replace the power switch & vs switch. And they are supposed to be an obsolete saw! I managed to find new Hitachi parts for replacement without any trouble. I also have a 25 year old Craftsman that I use regularly that runs as smooth as a sewing machine, & have never done anything to it. So as you can see, like JT pointed out, money isn't the only thing to take into consideration when looking for a saw, or replacement saw. Enjoy your investment. My apologies if I stepped on any toes. God bless.

tuner, understanding a pattern & being able to cut it are two different things, imo, Sir. I've been scrollin' 25 years & have learned to spend some time studyin' my pattern before I even put a drill bit to it. There are several ways to work a pattern to your benefit. I cut a lot of Native American patterns. Including feathers. I make dream catchers, & cut my own feathers. The wood is 3/16" thick for the the feathers. I use a #0 blade or smaller to cut them. It takes about an hour a feather to cut. I've learned different ways to cut them to go with the feather, & not against it. It gives them a more realistic look. You'll find, with time, patience, & trying different patterns on different thicknesses & species of woods, different blades, your projects will turn out different each time. Veining is a learned process, & no matter how you look at each project you use it with, it will look different, & make each project look different. Fretwork is fragile work, & as your experience builds, you'll find what works for you, & before you know it, you'll be puttin' patterns together that you never thought you could! best of luck to you, my friend, & keep makin' sawdust!!! God bless!

Zim, i hear ya talkin' brother. I grew up 30 miles from nowhere, my Father was in the trucking business, we had a few animals around the farm. But I never learned anything about woodworking. Mine was all mechanics & keeping Dads' trucks runnin'. Even from a very young age, I remember workin' on trucks, & if we didn't have the exact parts, we made do with what we had. Drivers would come in with a broken floor in bull rack, or a cracked frame, we fixed it. We did all our own tire work, electrical work, engine work, you name it. When I got old enough to drive, Dad taught me to drive. I drove OTR for 35 years. Very seldom did I need a road side repair call. I fixed it myself. I can't begin to tell you the blizzards, rain, wind, cold, I've laid under those damn trucks workin' on them to get down the road, & home. Then we could fix the problem right in our own shop. I didn't get into woodworking until about 25 years ago, at my brides' insistence. It started out to be a stress reliever when I was home off the road, & it just kept gettin' deeper. Even then it amazed me at what folks threw away that could be easily repaired, & replaced with junk. The more I've learned about it, & the more I've done, scroll saw work especially, you've hit on the head, Sir! Folks have no appreciation for the time & dedication it takes to create our work, if you will. The world is always lookin' for a handout, & we, as woodworkers are a dyin' breed.

Another reason I've lost interest in going to these shows, trackman.

Ya know Mr. Brian, I've had that same theory & thoughts, too. My wife spent some time trying to get in touch with the sponser of a show we were interested in. She sent us the paperwork, etc. We sent our entry fee back to them, pictures, etc. A couple weeks later, she sends me an email telling me my work was not good enough for their show, or the community. Being deeply offended at this, I waited a few days before I took any action. Finally, I made up my mind to send her a return email. I explained to her I was offended by her comments from her jury about my work. I also told her I'm not a beginner at this, I've 25 years experience in scrolling & woodworking. If my work wasn't good enough, what is? I never got an answer, but apperantly stayed on their email list, because she keeps sending me applications for their shows. I refuse to lower myself to such folks, & or their nonsense!

good work, Mr. Miller! hang in there & keep practicin'! Welcome to the forum.

cherry is famous cracking during or after a project is finished. Especially if it is exceptionally dry. Like the others, I don't figure you'll have any issues puttin' it back together. Be careful with your clamp pressure. Try elmers glue. I've been usin' their new wood glue, & like it better than tb. Just a tip, next time you cut a project like this with the cuts tight together, start in the center & work out. Cut a couple rounds & then move to someplace else on the project. In my experience, if there is a crack starting you can't see, or it's following the grain, leaving it alone awhile will let it settle down & be takin' the constant saw work. Sometimes goin' to a little smaller blade & slowing your speed down helps, too. jmo.