I started turning pens a couple of years ago. A few months ago I purchased a couple of scroll saws. Scrolling is infinitely cheaper than turning. Turning pens is a money pit unless you can sell enough to cover the cost of supplies and kits. I am retired and am no longer around many people as I was when in business. There only so many people I can give pens to and now I have enough to last me the rest of my life. I have quite a few kits so will turn them. There are lots of other things to turn besides pens and bowls. Salt and pepper grinders, bottle stoppers. key chain fobs, refrigerator magnets and a host of other things. However, since I started scrolling I have done little turning. Scrolling is ADDICTIVE!