preprius Posted January 2, 2021 Report Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) scroll saw is not good for >1in. band saws you cant thread saws into holes. Is there a accessery for scroll blade to support the back? So you can push harder? Im think roller bearing with a notch in it. Attach it to any scroll saw. Edited January 2, 2021 by preprius spelling error OCtoolguy and amazingkevin 1 1 Quote
Roberta Moreton Posted January 2, 2021 Report Posted January 2, 2021 When cutting thick pieces you need to go slow enough to allow the blade enough time to cut. It is slow going. Jim Finn, Scrappile, OCtoolguy and 2 others 4 1 Quote
dgman Posted January 2, 2021 Report Posted January 2, 2021 Remember, you were warned about how hard Purpleheart was. Experiment with softer woods and larger blades. Because of the nature of scroll saws and scroll saw blades, there is no way to attach any kind of attachment to guide wood or a blade. I have cut 1 1/2” Purpleheart before, so it can be done. OCtoolguy, Scrappile, tomsteve and 1 other 2 2 Quote
preprius Posted January 2, 2021 Author Report Posted January 2, 2021 Hah, yes I was. My expectations is more progress than the warning suggested. So this question was to make an acessory or go buy different tool. Should a new tool be developed? OCtoolguy 1 Quote
kmmcrafts Posted January 2, 2021 Report Posted January 2, 2021 Not really knowing what you're trying to accomplish but the question asked made my first thought to be the new Pegas band / scroll saw... BUT.. it's not really capable of inside cuts.. Again.. not knowing what you're trying to do.. the kurf on these is quite small and maybe possible to cut through to the inside cut and then glue back together.. similar to how they make bandsaw boxes? As others have stated.. scroll saw is really slow going on thick wood... especially very hard dense wood.. I'm not a big fan of watching paint dry.. nor scrolling thick wood.. which is why I make projects that utilize 3/4" or less.. honestly don't really like going as thick as 3/4.. but that is for the most part my stopping point before looking at other projects. I've even been known to cut two or three 1/2" pieces and then gluing together.. That doesn't work on some projects though.. like the 2-3D stuff.. That's why you haven't ever seen me make any of these bird house ornaments etc.. One day I'm going to try one as they are neat.. but it'll be a day that I am feeling in the mood to watch paint dry, OCtoolguy and amazingkevin 1 1 Quote
Dan Posted January 2, 2021 Report Posted January 2, 2021 Buy a fret saw. preprius, ChelCass, John B and 5 others 4 1 3 Quote
preprius Posted January 2, 2021 Author Report Posted January 2, 2021 max power of human is 1/3 hp. that is when using leg muscles. My arms are good for 50w/minutes 10 years ago. A powered fret saw shows up as Pegas Has anyone taken band saw blade cut it to 5inch segment and try in a scroll saw? Rockytime, amazingkevin and OCtoolguy 1 2 Quote
dgman Posted January 2, 2021 Report Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Dan said: Buy a fret saw. That our Dan! OCtoolguy and new2woodwrk 2 Quote
OCtoolguy Posted January 2, 2021 Report Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) I have made many cuts in 1 1/2" mahogany and it is "slower" going but not as bad as Kevin makes it sound. I've not tried it in purple heart and probably never will. For the life of me, I can't figure out what the O.P. has in mind. Two totally different realms of wood cutting. I suppose if a person really had to do it, he could invest in a saw blade welder and do it that way. Edited January 2, 2021 by octoolguy Quote
preprius Posted January 2, 2021 Author Report Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, octoolguy said: I have made many cuts in 1 1'2" mahogany and it is "slower" going but not as bad as Kevin makes it sound. I've not tried it in purple heart and probably never will. For the life of me, I can't figure out what the O.P. has in mind. Two totally different realms of wood cutting. I suppose if a person really had to do it, he could invest in a saw blade welder and do it that way. This picture is a link to my other posts. click the picture. It should take you to the other post for more pictures and videos. And of course more questions. Edited January 3, 2021 by preprius added words to say say the picture is a link. OCtoolguy 1 Quote
preprius Posted January 2, 2021 Author Report Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) So above link shows what Im doing and why I ask the questions. I am a newbie. Under further thought using the plastic insert, shows the blades can take more stress if backed. The plastic insert can be modified to have a bearings. But plastic inserts are cheap and therefore be expendible just like blades. Answer to the question in this section are: 1. No powered tool between scroll saw and band saw. 2. An accessory is already there. Just use it and replace it. Lessons learned (the hard way) .... press harder to make progress. Use plastic insert as blade guide/support. Bad advice but can be done. Now the better lesson is to think outside the scroll saw tool. Do straight lines using better tools, only after doing inside cuts with plastic insert as blade support (rarely needed). Projects that are greater than 1 inch probably is not woth it. Really reconsider the end result. If you want to watch paint dry (a.k.a timesync) then use then greater than 1 inch is great. I encourage others to correct me. I am just a newbie. There might be better techniques I not aware of yet. Edited January 2, 2021 by preprius fixed 2 typos. OCtoolguy 1 Quote
Scrappile Posted January 2, 2021 Report Posted January 2, 2021 I do not know what this accessory is that you speak about. I do know that I can and have cut piece up to just under 2" on my scroll saw many times... Yep it takes patience.... but very doable. Scrolling takes patience..... If you learned to simply press harder to make progress,,,, I had a different teacher... I learned to let the saw do the cutting... OCtoolguy and danny 1 1 Quote
preprius Posted January 3, 2021 Author Report Posted January 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Scrappile said: I do not know what this accessory is that you speak about. I do know that I can and have cut piece up to just under 2" on my scroll saw many times... Yep it takes patience.... but very doable. Scrolling takes patience..... If you learned to simply press harder to make progress,,,, I had a different teacher... I learned to let the saw do the cutting... I agree with how we were taught. But my observations are different. Maybe saw blades got better. In my other post I let the saw do the work. But 1/8 inch per hour is not cutting. I my opinion No work being done. My technique is highly susspect here. Notice the table has a plastic insert that you can remove so you can see bottom clamp. In my pictures you can see a notch in the plastic insert. That notch was not there before I started. I think I resemble your picture. Or did you find and use my pic on the net. OCtoolguy 1 Quote
kywoodmaster Posted January 3, 2021 Report Posted January 3, 2021 If you are only cutting 1/8 inch per hour something is really wrong!!!!! What size / type blade are you using? OCtoolguy 1 Quote
preprius Posted January 3, 2021 Author Report Posted January 3, 2021 polar 5 and polar 7, also a olson pgt5. I have the speed at 50%. I did have it down to minimum for a while. During the video (other post) it is running 50%. All the other cuts were done in about 3 hours. After that I noticed the notch in the plastic insert. Then I knew I was pushing too hard. But then I thought about it. 3 hours and pushing hard. But it was cutting. Not breaking. So the blades can handle pressure if supported from the back. Just something I observed. OCtoolguy 1 Quote
Roberta Moreton Posted January 3, 2021 Report Posted January 3, 2021 Turn the speed of the saw up. OCtoolguy 1 Quote
tomsteve Posted January 3, 2021 Report Posted January 3, 2021 look for an oliver 273-D scrollsaw. Woodrush and OCtoolguy 2 Quote
OCtoolguy Posted January 3, 2021 Report Posted January 3, 2021 I think the major problem is your saw. It also sounds like you don't have the blade tension set right. Blade choice also comes into the picture. If your blade contacts the table insert something is wrong. Also it sounds like something is wrong with your lower blade clamp if it is bending your blades. Way too many problems here. Personally, I think you might be asking too much from a low end saw. My personal opinion. don watson 1 Quote
preprius Posted January 3, 2021 Author Report Posted January 3, 2021 Octoolguy... ok did you see my video when I pluck the blade. turn up the volume and tell me if tension is to low. OCtoolguy 1 Quote
preprius Posted January 3, 2021 Author Report Posted January 3, 2021 4 hours ago, tomsteve said: look for an oliver 273-D scrollsaw. 440v , navy tool. probably nuc powered. above the band saw category.. Nice answer. tomsteve and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote
OCtoolguy Posted January 3, 2021 Report Posted January 3, 2021 28 minutes ago, preprius said: Octoolguy... ok did you see my video when I pluck the blade. turn up the volume and tell me if tension is to low. I think it could be tighter. Sounds a bit low pitched to me. There is definitely something wrong because with that coarse of a blade it should just chew it's way through the stack. What brand of blades/type etc. are you using? It looks like a coarse toothed blade to me. I'd love for you to try the same set up on a different saw. I've never had a problem like that and I use a much finer blade. A #5 Pegas MGT is my go to blade. Quote
preprius Posted January 3, 2021 Author Report Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, octoolguy said: I think it could be tighter. Sounds a bit low pitched to me. There is definitely something wrong because with that coarse of a blade it should just chew it's way through the stack. What brand of blades/type etc. are you using? It looks like a coarse toothed blade to me. I'd love for you to try the same set up on a different saw. I've never had a problem like that and I use a much finer blade. A #5 Pegas MGT is my go to blade. the one in video is olson pg7. Edited January 3, 2021 by preprius OCtoolguy 1 Quote
OCtoolguy Posted January 3, 2021 Report Posted January 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, preprius said: the one in video is olson pg7. What make is your saw? It appears to me that it's a Porter Cable. If so, and I hope you won't take this the wrong way, but I've not read or heard many good reviews of that saw. Quote
preprius Posted January 3, 2021 Author Report Posted January 3, 2021 36 minutes ago, preprius said: 440v , navy tool. probably nuc powered. above the band saw category.. Nice answer. ebay listing says navy.... https://www.ebay.com/itm/Oliver-273-D-Scroll-Saw-36-/310783800982 tomsteve and OCtoolguy 2 Quote
OCtoolguy Posted January 3, 2021 Report Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, preprius said: ebay listing says navy.... https://www.ebay.com/itm/Oliver-273-D-Scroll-Saw-36-/310783800982 There ya go! Quote
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