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That Seyco saw is about an 1:30 minutes southwest from me I think. That would be my saw of choice too honestly.. Never know he may meet up halfway or something too.. Both saws are made in the same factory but there are differences.. The Seyco has a larger table top but the King in my opinion has a better angle rack and pinion set up.. South Haven is a bit closer to you I think too. Either way they're both great saws.

Well, yes it does matter where it was made.. I wish it was made in the USA but it's not and I knew that.. wasn't going to argue about where it's made... my point was it's the same saw as a Jet.. I've used both the 18" and 22" Jet scroll saws and they have a unique upper blade clamping system with no thumb screws or anything to mess with.. The lower clamp is none other than a round barrel clamp exact same deal RBI Hawk used in the early saws which I've also used.. The upper clamp you just slide the blade into the slot and put the tension lever over.. it tensions and clamps at the same time with the one lever.. pretty neat set up.. Good quality saw.. and if one doesn't like that round clamp or the upper one you can put the Pegas chucks on it and have the same as all those other saws in a different color.. Way better saw than the HF China made saw or the newer China made Excalibur. My reason for knowing it was the same saw is Jet has a patent on that upper blade chuck mechanism.. or maybe it has ran out of the patent timeline.. but since it is identical other than color I would think they wouldn't go through with all the tooling etc.. to exactly copy Jets saw especially when there was a patent on the clamp.

I don't care where it's made, it's the same saw as the Jet 22" saw which is a dam good saw.. Jet seems to be the only one nowadays that sell individual parts so if a bearing goes bad you don't have to buy the whole link arm assembly for over $130.. you can just buy a $10 bearing to replace the bad one..This saw design had one set of bearings in the inside of the saws that take a lot of the beating and that one is always the culprit in my experience.. while the others may be getting some slop.. they could go for another round or two especially if you regreased while it's apart for the bad bearing.. My complaint of the 22" is the short distance of table support in front of the blade.. The 18" saw would be my choice.. The Grizzly saw comes out of the same factory with a much larger table and much better price.. That is where I would get my next saw from if I was looking to buy this style of saw new. It seems to have the adjustable slotted motor mount where you adjust the blade aggression and it has that huge table..

Was just at HF and they finally had the saw on display.. Pretty impressive looking saw.. I do think the frame and some of the structure was thinner lighter metal and there was more plastic cover maybe than what the "other" similar saws have.. The table was huge and pretty impressive to be honest and was actually thicker steel than my Ex table.. Probably where all the weight of this saw come in from as the rest of it looked thinner and cheaper in my opinion.. either case it's still a hard to beat price and looks to be of good enough quality for the price..

Well, in the link it said: I'll go out on a limb and say that saw is made in the same Taiwan factory that the Jet, King, Pegas, Grizzly, and etc are made.. This looks just exactly like a rebranded Jet to me.. https://www.woodcraft.com/products/jet-22-variable-speed-scroll-saw-with-foot-switch-1-ph-120v-jwss-22b?variant=43401545580682&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAouG5BhDBARIsAOc08RTmkC-4lxo_oaLCraV9ERdfFXdtZF9Zg8fS4eRs6FAsvrGHg7cxKBoaAmcREALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds I'm not knocking the quality, just merely pointing out that I have strong doubts this is actually made in the USA.. The Jet saw has proven to be a good saw as is those others have also.. your money buy what you want but you're getting basically the same saw as most of these other brands. Each have slightly different tables and dust port etc but the guts of the saw is they same thing in my believe.. While buying this is supporting a local USA business.. but then again.. Buy Pegas from Denny and your doing the same so there is that bag of worms too..

If you don't mind my asking, how fast are you running the Hawk when cutting when the motor gets hot? I believe this is the saw I sold you? I mainly cut puzzles from 3/4" wood with that saw.. I never had any issue with the motor getting hot.. that said I never purposely checked it either. It does have the motor on it that had issue with burning up due to something with the Variable speed controller if memory serves me correct. I did a couple times have issue with the variable speed jumping around but I solved it by taking the cover off and blowing out the dust.. Always blew the dust out of the motor vents too as they get quite a lot of dust in the motor fan. If you look on the left side of the saw you can see the motor is big and the air vents on the end cap of the motor.. Maybe blow some air in there and around the motor.. IF you're running it really slow then maybe it's not creating enough air flow? I've always ran it at almost full speed.. But again, that was a problematic motor on those saws so maybe it's just coming to the end of its life.. I hope not.. Loved that saw and kind always kicked myself for selling after it was gone, LOL

You might want to take a look at the newer Grizzly saw as grizzly has their Christmas sale going on right now.. It's basically the same as a Pegas, King, Excalibur type saw with a bigger table etc. Someone in another post said it's made in the same place as those others as well but that is only what I've read and have no hard evidence of it so I'd check on that first.. https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-21-variable-speed-scroll-saw-with-foot-pedal/g0969

There is usually good deals on there all the time.. There are a few Hawks and Hegners too but they're the older Hawks with the junk motor issues and the Hegners are the old ones without the up front tension levers.. Both are priced higher than what I'd sell mine for so it wasn't really worth mentioning them, LOL.. It's really hard to find a good deal on a Hegner in my area that has the newer features.. everyone asking $400+ for the old ones and most are the single speed.. I probably really could get a better price for mine if I were to sell it. A million Hawks in my area but the majority are the old ones with the round clamps and the ones with motor issues.. most are also priced 300 - 500 for those old ones so when you find a deal in that range for a Ultra or newer in this area it's a bargain

Grizzly always runs a long holiday sale on many items.. There has been a lot of talk about the Harbor Freight saw which is cheaper but it also lacks some of the nice options such as dust collection port and the ability to adjust the blade aggression with the slotted motor mount. This also has a much larger table than the EX Pegas type saws.. Really nice price for what you get with this saw in my opinion.. There was talk about this saw a few months ago and it was said that these are made in the same place as the Pegas, King, and Seyco saws so it's probably much better than the China made Excalibur.. I don't care for the color but I do like the price and a can of paint can make it look good too, LOL.. about $400 cheaper than the Pegas, King, and Seyco saws and a bigger table.. https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-21-variable-speed-scroll-saw-with-foot-pedal/g0969

Yeah, I seen this a while back when searching for something else.. I've never heard of the brand.. but it looks to me like a rebranded Jet 22" saw... OR a possible Chinese knock off.. I'd be curious where it's made.. IF rebranded Jet then this is a good deal as I believe the 22" Jet runs around $1000 or $1100.. I personally don't like the 22" Jet model because of the very little table surface in front of the blade.. However I have considered the 18" Jet as it has around 4" in front of the blade.. if memory serves right I think the 22" only has 3 inch in front of the blade.

Not for sure where you are in relation to this but this one looks like a decent deal.. new this saw runs around $1100 I think.. doesn't look to be used a lot to me.. Maybe 50 - 100 hours https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1302295034104092/?ref=saved&referral_code=null This one has been listed for a few weeks now... never been used with stand and foot switch etc.. He may haggle on price a little to get into your price range. This saw new is another $1000 for the saw only.. stand I think is another $100 ish so to buy all this new is probably around $1200 + tax https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/952241970096593/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Accf7a6ec-d3c6-4207-866c-5ae7526b64a7

Maybe you need to figure out what it is you plan to make with these saws... Scroll saws can do a very wide variety of work from cutting wood to thin sheet metal to plastics etc. etc. then the various projects within these materials also has a wide range of things to make.. You will not be able to do intricate fretwork very well with any of the machines you have mentioned as they just are not user friendly for those types of projects.. I could see this saw being used for rough cutouts of shapes etc.. imagine much sanding would be needed but in that case a bandsaw would probably be a better choice.. But maybe if that is what you plan to make then it might be a good choice.. most of us when we hear you're looking for scroll saw we think of fine detailed artwork and things like that.. The proxxon and this tool are not a good choice for the things most of us would think of using as you would a scroll saw.

Don't these use like a jigsaw blade? Blade looks huge in the link that JT posted.. I can't see this being very fun to use..

I'm 50 miles South of downtown Grand Rapids or 10 miles North of downtown Battle Creek. The main saw I'd like to sell is the 1998 RBI Hawk Ultra model 226VS.. has around 6-8 extra blade holders.. Don't let the year of the saw scare you as this saw was still sealed in the original box when I got it. I put hour meters on all my equipment and this is the lowest hour saw I have with only 102 hours on the meter so it's still like new. Somewhere I have the receipt from the original purchase.. guy I got it from ordered it in Dec. 1998 but didn't get delivery until January of 1999 and he had a stroke and couldn't use it.. it sat in a climate controlled shop until I bought it in 2017.. I'd let that saw go for $450 that's a firm price as I don't haggle. I've got a 2002 Hegner Multimax 18 that I might be able to be talked out of but I currently haven't played around with it enough and would like to get more time on it to see whether I really like or dislike it.. but I could be talked out of it for $350. I don't know much history on the saw other than it was pretty grimmy / dirty and needed much elbow grease and cleaning up when I got it.. Runs great and seems to work good.. I've only put 5 ish hours on this saw which is why I'd kinda like to hang onto it. I ran the other saw I had in mind this morning for a few minutes and I currently cannot sell it.. It's a China made Excalibur but this saw might be having some issues and I just can't sell it to someone the way it is currently.. May just have been some dust in the speed controller but the motor was hunting speeds this morning so I need to look into this before setting a price and selling someone a faulty saw.. That's not how I do things.. It's got quite a few ( 560 ) hours on it, and may need a few things checked over.. so currently not for sale. I also bought this new in box from someone that won it in a raffle.. I got it in Nov. of 2018 I have a 2018 Hawk BM26VS that I bought new in Dec. of 2018 but didn't take delivery until April 2019.. saw has 500 hours on it.. Can't say I really want to sell this one either but I suppose I could be talked out of it for around $650.. IF this saw sold then the other RBI 226VS wouldn't be for sale... I'll be keeping one of these bigger saws.

I do agree, not everyone needs a higher end saw either.. most entree level or better saws will last a good amount of time for I'd say the majority of scrollers.. and as JT pointed out.. the used market usually has some pretty good buys on high end saws.. Back when I first got into scroll sawing I didn't even have a saw or the money for one.. so I just bought a pack of blades and used my fingers to hold each end of the blade.. made enough products to sell to buy a actual scroll saw with a motor on it.. This is just my scroll saw version of having to walk to school in 3 ft of snow uphill both ways barefoot and without a coat when I was a kid...

Yes, I do want to downsize and sell at least two saws.. been wanting to do this since the beginning of the year and now it's almost the beginning of the next year. My issue is I like each saw for certain projects I make and I am having a hard time on which saws to let go and what ones to keep.. Maybe you need to come pick for me.. My prices will range from $300 - 650 depending on the saw you choose, LOL I'm getting out of doing so much of the scroll sawing and getting more into laser and cnc work.. Amish people just moved in a mile up the road and he is a cabinet maker that just built a huge new shop and wants to hire me to do their CNC work on the cabinet doors etc.. so it's looking like I'm going to be doing less and less scroll work and going more and more to the dark side with the cnc and laser stuff. I have 5 saws but only willing to sell two of the 4 in my shop.. the 5th saw was a saw my father bought new and started his hobby which when he upgraded I asked to play around with his old saw which is what got me started in the business.. same saw got him in the business.. I restored it and for now it's not going to be for sale.. I'm down in southwest Michigan.. your name here makes me believe you're from Shelby Mi.. that's probably at least 2 hours from me..

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Unless the Shop Fox and the Proxxon have changed up the saw in the last couple years I would stay away from those.. The reviews on these a few years back was not very good and blade changes were not user friendly etc.. be sure to research them well if you choose that route. Knowing what I know now and just getting started in the hobby the buy the best you can and buy once is true.. however if you don't even know if you'll enjoy the hobby it's a tough call because a lot of these expensive machines do not hold the resale value.. A brand new Hawk or Hegner cost you around $1700 and if you don't like the hobby the resale on them is lucky to get $600 back from one that is barely used.. on the flip side a DeWalt runs you $600 but used ones will sell upwards of $350+ for like new machine.. These other new to the market saws we have no idea of a resale value.. but if I were looking at used saws online and a like new Bauer came up.. since I can get a new one for $220 on sale with a manufacture warranty I'm not paying much for a used one with no warranty either. The DeWalt name holds some resale value.. and are nice saws to start with. IF I was just throwing some cash around and wanted to take a chance of loosing some $$ knowing it going into this I'd probably look pretty hard at that Bauer.. seems like a nice starter saw in my opinion. Also don't rule out a good quality used saw.. Knowing what I do now about these saws and the help from others on these forums and groups.. I wouldn't be afraid to buy a quality used saw for the same price range.. just ask here about a saw you find.. many of us here can tell a lot about a saws condition based off of photos... and high end Hawk and Hegners can be had in the price range of these "new" starter saws depending on your location.

Based on my experience with these type of saws.. I don't think it'll be trouble free in 500 hours.. I'd say it'd probably be a miracle if it made it to 300 hours without the need for some bearings or some other part.. Maybe I've had lemons and or maybe my style of cutting or how I run the saw but I'd say around 250 - 300 ish hours you're going to start getting the bearing knocks.. One of these saws might make it much longer before they completely go to pot.. I don't know how long one could actually run one of these with the knocking and added vibration before it actually became unusable.. I've always taken them apart and cleaned / regreased or replaced parts when I get to that point.. which for me was around 250 - 300 hours on my DeWalt the two times I rebuilt it and same scenario with my Excalibur.. this is just my experience, maybe I'm harder on these than others are or maybe I got a lemon and also replacement parts were not great.. but based on my personal experience for whatever that's worth.. this is how these type saws last for how I use them.. your mileage may vary a little or a lot.. I just don't see these making it that many hours.. BTW there is a huge discrepancy in hours from those that say they are in the shop for X hours a week and actual saw runtime hours via a hour meter hooked up to the footswitch on the saw.. Type of cutting makes a huge difference in hours too.. ie if I am cutting puzzles instead of fretwork type stuff I can run 2 times the hours in a saw sitting time.. there is way more down time when swapping the blade out to the next hole to cut than one might think.. Doing fretwork it's tough to get 10 - 15 hours on a saw in a weeks time.. doing puzzles etc.. is much more easily done.

Really hard to beat the price of this saw and to get that warranty so I could wear it out before the 2 years.. makes me wanna go buy one, but why? not like I need the 5th saw in my shop.. sometimes wish I could use 2 at once though, LOL.. The older Hawk with the round barrel clamps is definitely a no to top feeding.. I have on occasion top fed on my Ultra but it's not really user friendly at all for that and it wasn't designed to be able to so I suppose that is why. The new Hawk is pretty simple to top feed.. probably easier than my EX-21 honestly. I learned to saw with a bottom feed saw only but I can do either fairly easy after much practice, however muscle memory kicks in and I just get into a rhythm so 99.9% of the time I bottom feed.. and really only time I do top feed is on very large projects where bottom feed is more of a hassle than it needs to be, so I consciously remember to top feed then.

I think hardboard is what I've seen people make them from. If you had a metal table that magnetic sheet like is used on the Seyco saw would be easy to cut and make, but I'm not sure it'd stay in place on a aluminum table top. https://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/panel-products/handi-panels/2-x-4-hardboard-handi-panel/1291119/p-1642874322992553-c-13337.htm?exp=false I've also seen people just tape a playing card over the top of the hole around the blade and use the original saw table.. Seems like you'd have to be careful not to have the project catch onto the edge of it but I've never tried it so I don't know.

Don't think you can top feed on a older Hawk and not at all on a Hegner.. The new Hawk and a Hawk G4 you can as the blade holders are out front of the angle adjustment mechanism rather than behind it. And Hawk made a lever that holds the arm down while attaching the blade specifically for top feeding.

Just in case anyone is planning to pick up one of these.. Black Friday coupon gives a little price break on this saw.. Enjoy

Beautiful work Denny, I cut those same designs some years ago and cut from 1/8" ply then made the backers out of walnut.. was big hit for many of my friends who have served as they all loved them.. Thanks to all who have served or currently serving!

I just went to the website and added it to my cart and then hitting the checkout button screen it gives me the option of 1 year for 49.99 or two years for 59.99.. For someone like me that scrolls a lot and burns through a DeWalt in one to one and a half years that might be a good deal since I can't even source the bearings to rebuild one that cheap.. I believe it cost me around $180 way back in 2014 which was the last time I rebuilt the Dewalt I had and then I sold it in 2017. The EX-21 parts cost me nearly $200 or maybe a little more than $200 back in 2020 when I rebuilt that.. I have about 550 hours run time on the hour meter on the EX-21 and have rebuilt it twice now.. and it's getting there for a third time.. Oddly enough.. 550 hours on the new Hawk I bought.. still kickin up dust like it was new.. no parts has been needed yet.