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I think we've got two different conversations going here.. One is actual backers for finished products to complement the cutting The other is a backer that you put on the back as a sacrificial piece to help from tearout etc.. when cutting thin fretwork stock that you only need one finished piece and rather than using another piece of wood that you could use for other projects why not cut something that you would be throwing out anyway such as cardboard... I think this is what Ray is asking about? I personally have always stack cut anyway as usually I'm in production mode and usually find a buyer for 1,2,3 or 4 more anyway.. As for backers to complete the project with a contrasting piece to enhance the details of the cutting I've used all sorts of things from colored paper, foam sheets, poster board, plywood of another species of wood, hardboard, mirror, and gosh dang near anything that I can fasten to the back and looks good..

Never thought about them, and not sure why I never thought that they'd have a website, LOL.. I've been to one of the stores in the big city by my daughters house over near Detroit, big place.. Currently have two tractors in the shop and there is just not enough floor space to be trying to build a bench inside and I'm not too interested in building it out in the cold and snow.. Was in my other shop today and I have almost everything I would need to build one other than probably need a few more 2x4's. Have a couple full sheet and also some 3/4 of sheets of 3/4 plywood. When things warm up I'll be cleaning up the shop and getting the scroll saws ready to sell along with many other things.

I've already been asking on the laser groups and forum pages.. Most of the laser folks are not woodworkers and many don't even work with wood on the lasers.. there is so many different products to work with on lasers engraving services.. Leather, Acrylics, Slate, Ceramic, Tumbler Bottles, Glassware.. and many other products.. In Fact.. if there is someone that's looking for a business start-up.. many folks on the laser sites would love to have a short workbench to set their lasers on.. as I said most do not do woodwork or build things.. many are stay-at-home moms that got a laser to do a side Hustle etc. and do not have a means of making a bench.. Not much out there ready to buy that is short enough yet also having a large enough top on it to support the size of the lasers.. I think if someone made and marketed them to the laser people you'd sell a good deal of them.. most commented questions on those for people getting a new machine is.. it's sooo low to the floor and many asking the same questions "where to get a bench".. not much out there in the sizes' needed.. and I'm quite surprised that the folks selling these lasers don't have some sort of legs / feet to mount on them.. they really could have some metal adjustable legs.. They have holes on the bottom where one could bolt a set of legs on.. This might be how I do it with some square metal tubing.. I guess it really doesn't need a "table" just some legs to raise it up higher.

I'm likely going to set up the laser right on the floor as it sets and get a feel for where and how I want this set up at.. and maybe how to use it, LOL. I'm currently building a block-off board to set into my shop window with the 6" hole in it to install a temporary exhaust.. At first I wanted to just get it all set up permanent before going at it with business but business changed my mind quickly when I out of the blue was asked if I could engrave a floral design with a company logo ( their artwork ) onto 200pcs. 8 x 16" charcuterie boards that they also are going to supply.. It's a local company that I've done work for in the past and they follow me online and seen I now have a bigger laser.. and want me to do the job this year for them. Thankfully they don't need them until August so hopefully I'll figure out how to use this laser by then, LOL.. But it has prompted me to get this set up and experiment and this will also give me time to clean out and sell some of the scroll saws and other equipment that I'll no longer really need. Once clearing things out I'll have a better idea of where to make the parking spot for the lasers.. Basically my whole shop and business is taking a complete new turn on life and I've been struggling to know what I want to put where and what needs to be sold off etc.. so I've been sitting in a funk.. this laser work order will get me out of that funk and just "do it".. then by doing that maybe I'll figure out where the next steps are.. So right where it's shown in the photos is where I'm going to run the first few batches of products.. Then maybe once the warmer weather comes I can clean out the shop of unused tools make more room and possibly find my shop layout before next winter..

I read that as being a backer like many paint or use as a contrasting color wood to enhance the piece.. As for a sacrificial piece that'll be cut as a sort of support for the actual wood panel it might work well but I think it'd depend on the type of cardboard you use.. I don't think you'd want to use the corrugated? like a shipping box as I feel like the bottom would fray and be catching and ripping on the edges of the saw table.. Now the type that say a cereal box or case of your beverages come in type of cardboard might work well for this.. I use the old cereal boxes to do test runs on the laser or to make a outline mark for say ornaments that are already made but I need to line it up to engrave a name or? on them so I know where to place the ornament to get it straight etc.

The model number indicates it to be a single speed.. unless someone has upgraded it at some point. Normally the ones that had the belt drive pulley system had a model number such as 220-3 or 226-3 etc.. and yes as others said very old and many of the old ones had motor issues but mostly on the variable speed models.. I'd not do more than $100 - 150 for one like this and it'd have to be a super shape for that much money.. Keep looking.. The RBI Hawks are awesome saws built like a tank..

I seen another video where the guy melted it with automotive type urethane paint reducer.. potent stuff and in that video he also wasn't wearing any protective gear so clearly not the smartest, LOL.. and likely lost what few brain cells he had left.... Gotta watch what gets passed around on these videos as always.. none or most posting this type of thing is not professionals.. so you always have to take that with consideration..

Yeah, I need to know more info on this too.. I've been looking a little more and not finding much on it. I did find this about using as a glue though and seems to be more about that than as a finish..

Ran across this on YouTube and thought maybe someone here my like to see this as well.. Making finish out of styrofoam..

I have Amish cabinet maker shop about a half mile from here.. They actually want me to do their CNC custom cabinet door designs etc for them.. I never even gave that much thought but I'm sure they'd build something too..

Thanks for the link, funny I was just looking at another Youtube (whosthevoss I think is the name) where he built a fliptop table.. I need one of those too.. I think

The crate is wood.. I think it's probably 3/8" plywood.. I think this might be a temporary and possible permanent (since most of my temporary ends up being permanent) solution.. I think I'll glue and nail both top and bottom pieces together and then frame it build some legs from 2x4's.. I also forget than this laser will run via thumb drive or even wifi etc.. so it really doesn't need the computer connected.

Yeah, I found one that is close to the size and might work.. but it's close to $400 too.. I'm rethinking this now.. I might just have to go at it really slow and build what I need.. so long as no snow or rain I guess I could work in the driveway in the cold to make some cuts on my table saw and miter saw.. table saw is hooked to dust collector and not much comes off it.. don't have any step down connectors for the miter saw but might be able to do all of it on the table saw anyway.

I knew this would be the response and deep down I also know this is really what I need to do to really make it the way I want.. I may end up building a huge bench down one whole side of the shop so I can place my other two lasers on it as well.. then plumb the exhaust into one big manifold to exit out in one spot. Then I won't need to cut several holes in my wall to install the smoke stack, LOL. The bigger reason I don't really want to build it is I'm not really supposed to be doing any sawing of wood.. I think I could get away with it outside in the spring / summer.. just hoping to set things up before then.. and building my own is not a best option currently due to my doctor's orders..

Many of you know I bought a new laser a couple months back. I'm wanting to get a workbench to set it on but having a bit of trouble finding one that the laser will actually fit on. The dimensions of the laser are 48.8W x 34.3D x 26.4H and most benches I find are not but 24 inch deep, while the laser could overhang the edges some as the feet are not all the way out to the edge of it. I'd have to measure but I'm guessing a 30" Deep might work. Next issue is how tall the table is as the machine is already 26" tall so a 30" tall table would make loading and unloading the work a bit on the tall side.. but as it is only 26.4 tall leaving it on the ground as is I have to almost be on my hands and knees to load and unload it which is partly why I want to table. A 30" tall table would do better than leaving this on the ground though so I could probably live with that. I'm wondering if anyone knows of any nice larger benches that can hold this 300lb machine and have some room on either side to place the laptop and other things to run it.. Hoping to be able to put the chiller red thing off to the side in the picture underneath the table. Looking at the photos maybe 30" wouldn't be too bad after all because the laser table is half way down into the machine once the door is open.. I just gotta be able to reach and see the control panel on the right side of it.. I am 5.6Ft so that might work. I know someone gonna say build a bench.. I'd rather buy one.. but worst case I might settle for building one but I'm not much of a builder unless there is some real good blueprints.. I'm not great at just winging it like many of you guys are.. I've asked on the laser sites I'm on and 90% just deal with it on the ground.. a couple folks built a bench out of the parts from the shipping crate it ships in but the crate is exactly the size of the laser and I need a space for my laptop etc.. and those homemade ones looked pretty sketchy to me for a 300lb machine that probably would shake that whole table when the machine is running, LOL Anyway, anyone know of a site with many different workbench options? IF I have to build my own it's going to be a while as my truck doesn't get out in the snow and salt.. so like to buy so I can get this up and running. Thoughts and Suggestions? Maybe you guys will be more help than the laser groups.. most those folks are only into laser talk and show off of projects rather than shops and workbenches, LOL

Hmm, well that's just dumb.. now when you break a blade there is no lever at the back that pops up out of place that makes you get up off the chair so you can reach back and pop it back over into place. Great idea really.. as far as I know the lever action one has always been the design they have used and you're right.. it's over engineered and no reason i can see as to why it's like that.. other than years ago that's how they described how to tension the blade properly.. which was always way off from what they say on the sticker anyway.. at least for me on my saws.. IF you haven't maybe you should post that on the FB Hawk Group.. maybe Bushton will get the hint that we don't like that lever popping up out of place when a blade breaks.. BTW, I looked at a Hawk for sale once where they just threaded a nut on that rod.. I just assumed they lost the actual lever and too cheap to replace it.. now making me wonder if maybe someone did that on purpose I will say if your front tension cam isn't adjusted properly and or worn out that it'll make that lever pop up and not hold the blade correctly.. not sure if the knob would keep it on tension better or not..That's usually how I learn that I need to adjust that little set screw underneath the upper arm at the front of the saw..

I'm not sure what you are seeing, he never edited his post.. The title still says EX-12 on my end.. But I believe he just did a typo..

Hmm, Haven't tried that stuff before but I've used the 5/32 size of this stuff from Home Depot and so far it's been good to me.. Though I was using it for portrait type work that was framed.. kinda bought it for the first time back during Covid when BBply was unavailable in my local stores and I run across this stuff.. Works great for using in my laser too.. actually designed for laser work.. some don't realize how toxic the "burning" of laser engraving the glues and don't realize you shouldn't be lasering just any old plywood.. Other sources to search out thin plywood is search for laser cutting plywood.. there are many different speacies of wood available besides just birch and maple etc.. in thin 1/8" and 1/4" so that might be a good option too if you're looking for something different. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Columbia-Forest-Products-5-32-in-x-1-ft-x-1-ft-7-in-PureBond-Maple-Plywood-Project-Panel-10-Pack-4940/312284408

The short blade life could also depend on what brand and type of blade they are using.. as when I first started years ago I bought some off brand blades from the local hardware store that was really bad and didn't last long at all.. so this could also be a cheap blade or wrong blade for the type project being made.. I agree with the Hegner saw.. I don't know about the 14" saw as it's not a variable speed saw.. make a difference for learning? I don't know.. Blade tension on them also is a learning curve and the parallel link arm saws tend to be more forgiving on blade tension etc.. I could also see kids misplacing the lower blade clamps and those aren't cheap for the Hegners.. so that all said.. I'm wondering if a Seyco, or Pegas might be a better option for school teaching. The Bauer from Harbor Freight looks like a decent saw but I'm not sure where you'd get parts as they're not the same parts as mentioned above.. while some parts are shared among the other brands but if you need a link arm assemble that would be different I think since Bauer is a 22" saw and a Seyco is 21" I believe?

The numbers on the bearing will tell you what sizes and type of bearing to get.. from there you can go cheap or a middle or high end bearing.. My experience for the "cheap" ones was that the ball bearings or the part they sit in had looser tolerance than the little better bearing.. probably the material it's made from is different too? I don't know.. I just remember buying some cheap bearings that were more loose and worn feeling than the ones I was going to replace, LOL.. I don't remember for sure but I think VBX bearing online is where I ordered from and you had the cheap, better, and best options to choose from.

Not to change topic but I recall you trying to sell your magazines? Did they sell okay or hard to get rid of? I have a stack of them I'd like to get out of my way.. not really looking to get money for them but not willing to ship them free either and the hassle of it.. I've been tempted to just toss them onto my next campfire or something, LOL

Thanks to @Denny Knappen for helping locate a pattern I finally made one.. then something bad or good happen depending on how you look at things.. lets just say.. I showed my wife and then she said... Hey, I have a great idea for this.. Any husband knows they're in trouble after those words come out.. SO... my daughter is going to be getting married pretty soon and they're in the wedding planning stage... I maybe should have waited a couple years to make this or at least show it to anyone, LOL... Little did I know that they was looking for ideas for table centerpieces for the reception.. now you know what I get to make a lot of now.. my reason for saying good or bad idea to show them... I made a few so far but really only sanded and dipped one in danish oil.. I so far made two out of spalted maple and one from cherry and one from walnut.. they cut really quite fast and easy to make which is good.. most of the other wedding things I make are pretty complex and take at least an hour or more and this can be cut in maybe 15 - 20 minutes.. I haven't tried stack cutting but that is also an option. As shown in the photo I've been playing around with mixing up the wood species to give off some contrast etc.. Probably going to have to make about 20? no idea yet as I have no clue how many tables will be needed.. she's just doing a smaller wedding maybe 150 - 200 people.. I don't know if Denny glues his together or not? I haven't done so and am hoping to not glue them as once we're done I may put them online to sell with the option to laser engrave the names etc. onto them... otherwise what are we going to do with 20+ of these.. another option maybe we could give one away to whomever is at said table as a competition or something.. no idea yet but selling with laser engrave option is something I had in mind once done with them. One nice thing about not gluing them is they breakdown quite easy and take up very little space.. plus can mix and match however you like with the wood species..

The new laser hasn't even been plugged in yet.. been too busy to mess with it. I need to make a trip to town to get a 6" dryer vent and build something to set into the window so I can vent it outside.. Not quite sure where the permanent parking spot for the new laser will be so not quite ready to bore a big hole in the wall only to decide to move it later. Actually wanting to move my other two lasers from upstairs to downstairs.. Looking like I'm going to be selling off both my Hawk scroll saws and keeping the Excalibur for hobby purposes.. Doctor says no more scrolling or limited scrolling because of my allergies.. and they also found I was born with a defective valve in my heart so in combination something is messing with me when wearing a mask... Say the heart looks great and strong but may at some point need to have surgery to fix / replace that valve.. hope they don't go to HF to get a new valve.. I want a nice stainless Kohler valve that'll last.. I can scroll all day without issue but soon as I try to protect my lungs with a mask it messes me up for a few days... so forced to flipping over to laser and cnc work.. CNC will be getting a enclosure to limit the amount of dust etc.. lasers vent outside so I should be able to stay in business for a few more years anyway.

Yes me too, and the red matches all three of my lasers and the CNC router.. I suppose the Hawks too but are they more orange than red? They're certainly not true red.. more in between a orange and red I guess.. Not the greatest picture of the Hawk and it looks more red in the photo than they actually are but you get the idea.. I guess red matches better than yellow. Edit: There seems to be a fair amount of yellow in the background.. DeWalt miter saw, table saw and drill on my makeshift table / dresser, also not shown is the DW planer LOL.. Look outside you see my punching bag through the window.. That's for when I'm almost finished with a project and it breaks..

I also like these discussions to an extent but sometimes it gets out of hand and goes to a personal level.. It also gives a bad image for newcomers to the site as well.. I know a few newer people that "were" on here and recently moved onto another scroll saw page because we were to standoffish so that's not a good image to get new people onto the best site the internet (my opinion) has to offer to the scrolling community. As for the Bauer and Hercules brand.. Yes Hercules is better quality... unfortunately the most tool options are in the Bauer brand.. they seem to push that brand further so that is the battery system I have and use ( besides my DW stuff ).. I have actually been very impressed with the Bauer brand stuff that I have purchased and used so far they have far exceeded my expectation.. But if they fail I'm not out much either.. I would have rather went with the Hercules but many of the tools wasn't available in that brand so that was my reason for going with the Bauer stuff.. we all know once you get locked into the battery system you're kind of stuck with that brand.. I'm sure that is why this brand is pushed more and more tool options offered.. they know what they're doing.. but I'm also buying this stuff with that in mind.. I also have DW battery stuff so if it's tools I'll use a lot I'll go that route and pay up the money. As impressed as I've been with the Bauer stuff though.. I've been more and more ditching the higher end stuff..