Which Spray Adheasives?

[FrankEV]

In a related post "Plywood prep before cutting?", new2woodwrk included this statement in his reply "...3m 77 - very potent adhesive, I use 3m 45 and makes a huge difference in removing patterns/shelf paper...."

That statement leads me to a related queation. 

As I do most of my shopping in Lowes (close to home) I have been using the Locktight 200 (medium bond)  as that is the only brand thay carry in my Lowes and I have had varing results.  I allways use the Duck Brand shelf liner and have no problems with it adhearing to the wood.  However, often the bond between the paper pattern and the shelf liner becomes undone and the paper will lift off the liner while cutting.  If I I try to make sure the bond holds by spraying a heavier coat, the pattern becomes soaked to a point the pattern will slide around and crinkle up on me.  

I guess the questions are:

Which brand do you use, or consider the best, for attaching the pattern paper to the liner material? 

And, how heavy do you apply it? 

 

 

[BadBob]

3M77 Works for everything, but it is getting very expensive.

[dgman]

I use the 3M 77 also. In normal ambient temperature, a light coat is all that is needed. I let it set up for about 30 seconds then apply to bare wood. I don’t use anything under the pattern. In cold temperatures, I’ll apply a second light coat, then wait 30 seconds and apply. I then apply clear packing tape on top of the pattern. After cutting, if the pattern doesn’t want to lift off, I’ll heat the pattern with a heat gun. This will soften the adhesive and the patter will lift off. If the pattern has been on for several days, I’ll spray some mineral spirits on top of the pattern. After a minute or two, the pattern will lift right off.

[Scrappile]

3M 77 for me.... Tried others but always come back..

[nrscroller]

Hi Frank

I go to church with a lady that works at 3m in St. Paul and she told me that the 3m45 spray glue is much better for crafts than the super 77. I bought a can and it is better. You will find the 77 gets really weird and sprays funny when you get to the end of the can. Here is a picture of the 45 glue. You should be able to find it all over.

 

just passing this along for you. I have used it now for a couple years and like it better.

Good luck

Bill

[kmmcrafts]

I used to use 3M 77 as other stated.. but the last time I purchased a can I thought I'd try the 3M 45.. I like it a lot better than the 3M 77.. I've also used the big oragne can of Grizzly spray.. Works well too but you have to really soak it down good.. and also be sure to shake up the can good.. Not as good as the 3M 45 though.. I think that will be my go to from now on..

[Joe W.]

I just picked up a can of the 3m 45 from Ace Hardware, along with 2 rolls of Duck brand shelf liner from WalMart.  Whew!  Now to find some good wood.

[Dan]

I've used and like 3M 77 but I ran out. And, in a pinch, I picked up some Elmer's Spray Adhesive. I have been using it to attach patterns to the Duck brand shelf liner and have not had a pattern lift yet. What I don't like about the Elmer's is it can bleed through the pattern if applied too heavy. Last week I did a pattern and put a normal coat but had the can farther from the pattern and it worked great. I still like 3M 77 the best.

[kmmcrafts]

I should also note that I only use the spray adhesive on very large patterns where it's more than one sheet of paper.. otherwise if the pattern prints on one sheet then I use peel and stick full sheet shipping labels.. Less mess.. no sticky glue on my fingers etc..just all around a better experience in my opinion..  

[amazingkevin]

3M45 for me!!!

[new2woodwrk]

I find sometimes when laying out and spraying a pattern the edges sometimes lift when cutting - very aggravating

What I do is make sure the edges are sprayed (as noticed I use 3m 45) first before spraying the middle of the pattern

Also, I keep a small jar of mineral spirits near when I'm using adhesive. My finger tips will often get tacky from the glue which makes placing the pattern more difficult and attributes to the edges not adhering correctly.

I dip my finger tips in the Mineral Spirits to cleanse the adhesive, wipe off with a lint free rag and proceed to the next pattern

Oh, my lowes does not carry 3m 45 anymore so I have to go my arch nemesis HD!

Edited March 9, 2021 by new2woodwrk

[Badgerboy]

3M 45. I find 77 too sticky

[Joe W.]

Spray tip 

• I read the fine print on the 3m77 spray can: "Clean spray tips with 3M adhesive remover or solvent such as acetone."
  The same statement is also on the 3m45 spray can but in really(x3) fine print.
  
  After having a couple cans clog up on me in the past, I thought I'd give the suggestion a try, so am pulling the tip off the spray can after each use and putting it a small plastic container filled with acetone.
  So far, so good.  
  It really annoys me to toss away a spray can that's not empty because of a clogged tip.
   

[TAIrving]

18 hours ago, dgman said:

I use the 3M 77 also. In normal ambient temperature, a light coat is all that is needed. I let it set up for about 30 seconds then apply to bare wood. I don’t use anything under the pattern. In cold temperatures, I’ll apply a second light coat, then wait 30 seconds and apply. I then apply clear packing tape on top of the pattern. After cutting, if the pattern doesn’t want to lift off, I’ll heat the pattern with a heat gun. This will soften the adhesive and the patter will lift off. If the pattern has been on for several days, I’ll spray some mineral spirits on top of the pattern. After a minute or two, the pattern will lift right off.

Dan,  I am curious.  Do you use mineral spirits to loosen the pattern when you have applied clear packing tape over the pattern?  It seems to me that the tape would prevent the mineral spirits from getting to the adhesive.  

Thurman

[dgman]

Yes I do. The mineral spirits soaks under the paper pattern. You can actually see the MS permeating through the paper..

[ike]

I use 3m77 I spray the wood with a light/mediun spray. The pattern doesnd't rixe on me. when I am to remove the pattern I use a damped rag with meneral slpirits let it set for a couple of miutes and the pattern comes off with little effort. dThe wood dries in no time at all. and it saves the added espence of shelf paper.

IKE

[BadBob]

I keep my spray nozzles in a jar of solvent. Mineral spirits works well for 3M 77.

[new2woodwrk]

On 3/9/2021 at 7:09 AM, Joe W. said:

Spray tip 

• I read the fine print on the 3m77 spray can: "Clean spray tips with 3M adhesive remover or solvent such as acetone."
  The same statement is also on the 3m45 spray can but in really(x3) fine print.
  
  After having a couple cans clog up on me in the past, I thought I'd give the suggestion a try, so am pulling the tip off the spray can after each use and putting it a small plastic container filled with acetone.
  So far, so good.  
  It really annoys me to toss away a spray can that's not empty because of a clogged tip.
   

What I do is:

Save the little containers that you get from various restaurants. You know the ones with like ketchup, pepper or something in them with a top/cap,

• Pour some mineral spirits in one and put it on the shelf
• Pull the cap of any adhesive or other spray can that is clogging.
• Place the cap in the mineral spirits over night

Next day, the spray cap is clean and works

For really gooked up spray caps I keep a similar container with Thinner

[Karl S]

if you use 3M 45 you don't have to soak your nozzles in thinner,  they don"t clog with my experience!!

[Joe W.]

31 minutes ago, Karl S said:

if you use 3M 45 you don't have to soak your nozzles in thinner,  they don"t clog with my experience!!

OK, But if it clogs up on me, I'll send you a frowny face (just kidding).

[Dave Monk]

On 3/8/2021 at 6:13 PM, Dan said:

I've used and like 3M 77 but I ran out. And, in a pinch, I picked up some Elmer's Spray Adhesive. I have been using it to attach patterns to the Duck brand shelf liner and have not had a pattern lift yet. What I don't like about the Elmer's is it can bleed through the pattern if applied too heavy. Last week I did a pattern and put a normal coat but had the can farther from the pattern and it worked great. I still like 3M 77 the best.

I bought a can of Elmers because it was cheap like me but I found I had to spray a lot more on to get my pattern to stick. Still have a partial can left but don't care much for it. 

[kmmcrafts]

26 minutes ago, Dave Monk said:

I bought a can of Elmers because it was cheap like me but I found I had to spray a lot more on to get my pattern to stick. Still have a partial can left but don't care much for it. 

I had the same experience with the Elmers.. the big orange can of grizzly spray adhesive is a little better but not by much.. I went back to the 3M 45.. seems to be my favorite..

[OCtoolguy]

I've had good luck with the Elmer's adhesive. I bought a can of 3M77, begrudgingly because of the exorbitant cost, but I don't like the size and weight of the can. It's heavy and big around. I have small, short fat fingers. Anyway, I digress. I like the little Elmer's can. I've not had any trouble with it sticking. Someone on here posted that he uses an absolutely small spray amount of adhesive and lets it sit for up to 20 minutes prior to placing the pattern. I started doing that, not for 20 minutes, but for a while and I found that it really does work well. It gets tackier or something. Almost like contact cement. And as Kevin said, if it's something that will take most of a full size sheet, I use the peel and stick shipping labels. They seem to work ok in my laser printer. So far.

 

[Dave Monk]

On 3/11/2021 at 8:28 PM, octoolguy said:

I've had good luck with the Elmer's adhesive. I bought a can of 3M77, begrudgingly because of the exorbitant cost, but I don't like the size and weight of the can. It's heavy and big around. I have small, short fat fingers. Anyway, I digress. I like the little Elmer's can. I've not had any trouble with it sticking. Someone on here posted that he uses an absolutely small spray amount of adhesive and lets it sit for up to 20 minutes prior to placing the pattern. I started doing that, not for 20 minutes, but for a while and I found that it really does work well. It gets tackier or something. Almost like contact cement. And as Kevin said, if it's something that will take most of a full size sheet, I use the peel and stick shipping labels. They seem to work ok in my laser printer. So far.

 

Thanks for sharing the info on delaying after spraying before applying the pattern. Sure helped.

[Karl S]

On 3/9/2021 at 6:42 AM, new2woodwrk said:

I find sometimes when laying out and spraying a pattern the edges sometimes lift when cutting - very aggravating

What I do is make sure the edges are sprayed (as noticed I use 3m 45) first before spraying the middle of the pattern

Also, I keep a small jar of mineral spirits near when I'm using adhesive. My finger tips will often get tacky from the glue which makes placing the pattern more difficult and attributes to the edges not adhering correctly.

I dip my finger tips in the Mineral Spirits to cleanse the adhesive, wipe off with a lint free rag and proceed to the next pattern

Oh, my lowes does not carry 3m 45 anymore so I have to go my arch nemesis HD!

I use these for all of my spray cans, they work great and my finger joints thank me