Must confess Jim, I'm a relative newbie, but I've joined and then left several other 'scrollsaw groups' as I personally found them unpalatable, however, this group was the first that I found on my scrollsaw journey and is now the only one I belong to.. People on here are the most helpful bunch you'll find anywhere on the planet. They've steered me through so much, what machine, what wood, how to, how not too.!! I'm tremendously indebted to this community. Very occasionally a 'squabble' rears it's head but Travis keeps us in check and then all runs smoothly again. JMO