Thanks Paul, I modified the cutting from Fish's pattern because I just didn't want to cut out all those leaves (kind of a procrastinator on this one). I am having trouble with my Excalibur EX-21. It actually took me twice as long to cut this out than it did to carve it. The tension isn't holding on the saw and it isn't because of my Pegas clamps, because I changed out the knobs, etc. on it. I contacted @kmmcrafts and he tried to help but it was getting too complicated for me. So I went ahead and purchased a King 21. (this is the previous model made in Taiwan). Anyway, thank you again.